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re: Strief Contract Restructured
Posted on 5/27/17 at 9:00 am to WhoDatTigahsTampa
Posted on 5/27/17 at 9:00 am to WhoDatTigahsTampa
I like Strief and all, but am I the only one who thinks this is really weird? Since when do NFL teams give money away with no return? He wasn't holding out, there is no contract extension. How do the Saints benefit? And don't tell me Strief will play better or work harder, he's a pro and was already being paid. Am I wrong to think the Saints should act like a business? Do Belichick or Pete Carroll just hand out raises for no reason? If Strief gets money for nothing, why doesn't Unger, or Ingram, or any other player already under contract who played well last year?
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Posted on 5/27/17 at 9:21 am to dcw7g
The Pats literally just did this with Gronk.
And you know how everyone here is always saying we need to be like the Pats.
Also why Strief and not player x is easily answered with Strief has been vastly underpaid pretty much his entire tenure. This could be his last payday. The wanted to show respect to a Saints lifer and also show that hard work and being a good teammate and good person can pay off.
And don't (good) businesses reward long tenured workers with raises? So they are acting like a (good) business.
And you know how everyone here is always saying we need to be like the Pats.
Also why Strief and not player x is easily answered with Strief has been vastly underpaid pretty much his entire tenure. This could be his last payday. The wanted to show respect to a Saints lifer and also show that hard work and being a good teammate and good person can pay off.
And don't (good) businesses reward long tenured workers with raises? So they are acting like a (good) business.
This post was edited on 5/27/17 at 9:26 am
Posted on 5/27/17 at 9:50 am to bonethug0108
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The Pats literally just did this with Gronk.
Good point, I had missed that. But... Strief is no Gronk. There's a difference between keeping a superstar happy and handing out cash to one role player and not another. Also, Gronk "needs to play at an All Pro level to receive all the incentives" in his new contract, so the Pats do potentially get something for giving him a raise. And, Pats media is wondering the same thing I am - won't this piss off other players who are underpaid.
After Patriots give Rob Gronkowski a new contract, it’s hard not to think of Malcolm Butler
Posted on 5/27/17 at 9:57 am to WhoDatTigahsTampa
Doesn't seem to benefit the Saints other than keep him happy. I don't have a problem with it though. He's been a pretty damn good RT over the years. Gets more hate than he deserves on here. Sure, he has bad games and is winding down but he's been a solid player through his career.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 10:00 am to dcw7g
Strief has played like an all pro for years while being underpaid without a single peep. Never complained, been a locker room leader and go about his business.
It's a good will gesture that doesn't hurt us long term and likely over for him after this year.
It's a good will gesture that doesn't hurt us long term and likely over for him after this year.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 10:48 am to htran90
didnt read the thread but I concur...
Evern a little more is that he has taken pay cuts when he really didn't have to as well
Quite an unsung staedy as she goes hero after 11 years.
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Strief has played like an all pro for years while being underpaid without a single peep. Never complained, been a locker room leader and go about his business. It's a good will gesture that doesn't hurt us long term and likely over for him after this year.
Evern a little more is that he has taken pay cuts when he really didn't have to as well
Quite an unsung staedy as she goes hero after 11 years.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 11:31 am to GynoSandberg
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Strief is totally taken for granted by our fans. im not sure there is a guy in the SP era that has been brushed off and almost disrespected as much as Strief.
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If Carl frickin Nicks gets in the Saint HOF, Strief may very damn well get a statue out front.
I do agree, but Nicks at his prime may have been better than Jahri (a possible HoFer) at his prime. Strief at his best is a step or two below that level.
But Strief's continued high level of play is why I question the Ramcszykxcykzck pick. I felt the same (but much more strongly) about the Peat pick, but he's ended up being a good LG and probably an above average starting LT. I already like Kelemete as a backup at either OT position. I just feel like Ramczyk isn't going to see the field too much this season, and maybe not next even season.
On that note, outside of Charles Brown, I can't think of any Payton-era Saints OL draft picks busting, so I can't get upset at them for the pick. Unlike LB, they know what they're doing there.
A touch off topic, but I think this could end up being the Saints's 2nd best draft ever after 2006. Would have loved to get Foster at 32, but I really liked each of their picks outside of Analzone. Ramczyk will be good, I just think he will be on the bench for too long for it to be a great pick.
And now a brief personal story related to the thread:
One night at Lucy's, a handful of whisky drinks deep, I started speaking to a friend while walking from the front bar to back patio area. I wasn't paying attention to where I was going. I suddenly walked into what felt like a support beam. I gather myself and looked at what I just ran into, and it turned out to be Zack Strief's back. The dude seriously didn't even recognize what happened. And not in the "I'm better than you, so I won't pay you any attention" way, but the "I didn't feel you slam into me" kind of way. If doctors removed both of arms, I still have no doubt that he would have little trouble killing me if he wanted to.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 12:46 pm to THRILLHO
Matt Tennant, but I believe he was a third rounder (lower chance of hitting though).
Outside of that we haven't missed on lineman inside the top 3 rounds (not that we've taken many).
Outside of that we haven't missed on lineman inside the top 3 rounds (not that we've taken many).
Posted on 5/27/17 at 1:26 pm to bonethug0108
did Snead and Thomas ever sign yet? last I heard they both got minimum offers and hadn't signed yet
Posted on 5/27/17 at 1:32 pm to keakar
Thomas who?
But Snead either signs or sits out, and he ain't sitting out. I think he was at the OTAs but not participating, at least in the one the media saw.
But Snead either signs or sits out, and he ain't sitting out. I think he was at the OTAs but not participating, at least in the one the media saw.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 1:50 pm to keakar
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did Snead and Thomas ever sign yet? last I heard they both got minimum offers and hadn't signed yet
If I'm Snead and the Saints offer me the vet min, I don't accept any future offers, even if it pays me a bit more than the next highest offer.
And if you're talking about Mike Thomas, he's not even allowed to renegotiate his contract until after his third season.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 1:54 pm to bonethug0108
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Matt Tennant, but I believe he was a third rounder (lower chance of hitting though).
Yeah, he's another bust.
But over the last decade, we're a top 3 team when it comes to drafting/developing OL. shite, Armstead was supposed to be a project in the third round, and he was a legit top 5 LT in his second season.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 2:06 pm to THRILLHO
Posted on 5/27/17 at 2:35 pm to bonethug0108
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Thomas who?
my memory is a little fuzzy but it was snead and another good player "I thought it was thomas" who both got minimum offers they didn't sign.
so is Snead the only "unsigned" player we have left to make a deal with?
This post was edited on 5/27/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 5/27/17 at 2:38 pm to keakar
All the fuzzy from saying gronk was getting cut I bet
Posted on 5/27/17 at 2:44 pm to keakar
Snead and Vacarro are the only two key 2018 FA's. No, neither has signed an extension.
This post was edited on 5/27/17 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 5/27/17 at 3:36 pm to THRILLHO
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Snead and Vacarro are the only two key 2018 FA's. No, neither has signed an extension.
thanks, I knew it was two very good players that "I" thought should have gotten respectable offers rather then league minimum deals
This post was edited on 5/27/17 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 5/27/17 at 3:38 pm to keakar
Shame on me, forgot about Brees as a key 2018 FA. Obviously the most important.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 3:39 pm to htran90
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All the fuzzy from saying gronk was getting cut I bet
the only "fuzzy" in that discussion was you guys saying a team would "never" cut a player that wasn't recovering from an injury "just because" they were good in the past
Posted on 5/27/17 at 5:49 pm to blueslover
2012 was also the year he played through an injury.
On the other topic, Snead is an ERFA and only required a minimum tender. Next year he is a RFA and likely gets the second round tender. Next year is when he gets his extension. He'll sign his ERFA tender and go about business this year.
There was no other minimum tender player that was upset. Coleman was one of the others and he signed his already (as have all the others iirc).
As for next year's FAs, the big UFAs are Brees, Vaccaro, and Ellerbe (and given all the investments made at LB Ellerbe may not be a target).
Snead and Breaux are RFAs both likely to get the second round tender, which likely turns into long term extensions.
Everyone else, iirc, will be worth $2 mil or less on the market.
On the other topic, Snead is an ERFA and only required a minimum tender. Next year he is a RFA and likely gets the second round tender. Next year is when he gets his extension. He'll sign his ERFA tender and go about business this year.
There was no other minimum tender player that was upset. Coleman was one of the others and he signed his already (as have all the others iirc).
As for next year's FAs, the big UFAs are Brees, Vaccaro, and Ellerbe (and given all the investments made at LB Ellerbe may not be a target).
Snead and Breaux are RFAs both likely to get the second round tender, which likely turns into long term extensions.
Everyone else, iirc, will be worth $2 mil or less on the market.
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