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re: ST #27 Wish List
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:04 pm to bonethug0108
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:04 pm to bonethug0108
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Both of them look like run stoppers
Both are kind of undersized. I remember somebody knocking Mosely's size the other day on here.
He's bigger than Hawthorne. I think he's about the same size as Lofton though.
and then of course, we also heard how Mosely looked bad against Auburn and that HUNH offense.
maybe he did. but that isn't here or there when we're talking about him as a candidate to join the Saints. That was one bad game against a machine of a run offense that hardly anyone could stop at the end of last year. Hell, Florida State had a month to prepare and still gave huge chunks of yardage. That offense is just hard for teams to prepare for when its really in gear.
and that argument doesn't hold much water in the NFL as it has become more of a passing league.
his run defense may not be as good but I'd just like to see more of a complement to the LB position in the next few years and Mosely could do that I think.
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:17 pm to blueslover
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This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:22 pm to blueslover
quote:All very true and I have thought about that for PRob.
I tend to agree with this but the caveat is that being in a contract year, if he does show to be a real #2 CB he'll be expensive to retain. That would be after 4 years of erratic play too.
Think someone linked it in a thread where Payton specifically said pass rushers and cornerbacks are premium positions. In other words they are positions that often require more "reach" on value to get a desired player. Kinda the opposite for RBs and ILBs. A lot more of those as 3rd or 4th Rd are just as studly as 1st Rders. CBs and pass rushers virtually never "slip" in the draft.
But I don't think he'll play lights out and get some $6m+ contract. If he's solid next year and he gets $4m per I'd be okay with that.
But this is all the risk/reward thinking that goes into these decisions. Can PRob be a starter? How about White? If PRob is really good can/will we keep him? What could cost us more next year, keeping Prob or keeping Hawthorne?
All things that go into it. Much more than just looking at player A vs. player B.
Last note, I wouldn't call his play erratic. He has been solid for the most part when playing man(Ryan's scheme). Even under Spags he held his own a good bit, and everyone suffered under him so I tend to ignore/adjust that year when evaluating defenders.
And it's not like I don't want to see us draft a CB. I'd be more excited for a LB or CB than a WR, which is rare around here.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:31 pm to blueslover
1. Erbon
2. Donald
3. Mosely
4. Verrett
5. Ford
6. Ealy
7. Fuller
8. Roby
9. Shazier
10. Lee
11. Beckham
12. Matthews
13. Cooks
2. Donald
3. Mosely
4. Verrett
5. Ford
6. Ealy
7. Fuller
8. Roby
9. Shazier
10. Lee
11. Beckham
12. Matthews
13. Cooks
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:37 pm to GynoSandberg
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This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:38 pm to bonethug0108
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I'd be more excited for a LB or CB than a WR, which is rare around here.
shhhhh
Much is made of the departed players. We still have two wideouts that caught 107 balls for 1584 yards and 10 TDs. One dealt with nagging injury and had his worst season in 6 years. The other was a 21 year old rookie who only started 10 games. Colston better and Stills taking another step forward could meet the immediate need there IMO. I want another toy but don't rank the need above CB or LB. PRob is a question mark at best (still). Even more than OLB I'd like to see an ILB to make cutting Hawthorne and/or Lofton a obvious choice. Like what Graham did to Shockey or Vaccaro to Harper/Jenkins.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:49 pm to blueslover
I think the ILB/OLB thing is something to think more about in our scheme.
First, Galette is a DE despite what everyone calls him. He played way more down than up, and even when standing rushed the passer way more than not.
The second issue is that we played I believe 75% in sub packages, most of which was 4-2-5(nickel but more often with a 3rd safety over a 3rd corner). So we rarely had an "ILB". It was usually Lofton + someone else(about 70% Hawthorne).
So I think we shouldn't think of them so much as ILB or OLB. I think it's the skill set that's important. And the skill set we lacked was pass coverage.
Lofton, Hawthorne, and from what has been seen of Butler are not great at it. Humber is likely our best one and he doesn't exactly light it up either. Haralson was our best but he has yet to resign.
First, Galette is a DE despite what everyone calls him. He played way more down than up, and even when standing rushed the passer way more than not.
The second issue is that we played I believe 75% in sub packages, most of which was 4-2-5(nickel but more often with a 3rd safety over a 3rd corner). So we rarely had an "ILB". It was usually Lofton + someone else(about 70% Hawthorne).
So I think we shouldn't think of them so much as ILB or OLB. I think it's the skill set that's important. And the skill set we lacked was pass coverage.
Lofton, Hawthorne, and from what has been seen of Butler are not great at it. Humber is likely our best one and he doesn't exactly light it up either. Haralson was our best but he has yet to resign.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 4:21 pm to GOON
goon, I think it's better not to show the ongoing totals. Some peeps might just vote towards those than their own objective rankings
Posted on 3/31/14 at 4:24 pm to blueslover
quote:
goon, I think it's better not to show the ongoing totals. Some peeps might just vote towards those than their own objective rankings
Good point. Taken down.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:21 pm to MauriceCheeksJr
I would love it if the saints trade up and got Justin Gilbert or Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans that would be crazy but I doubt that would happen unless a team got hosed and the player they wanted was taken.So I would be happy with Bradley Roby or Kyle Fuller. I think a top wr will slip to the second and I could see us trading up in the second for it if we didn't trade up in the first. With two fourths we have some trade room.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:33 pm to bonethug0108
Love your post. Hits the nail on the head.
We played a ton of 4-2-5 sets last season but we had more safeties on the roster, too. I know we have Bush but I would much rather play traditional 3-4-4 or 4-3-4 sets and let our safeties play traditional cover 2,or even single high if we want to bring KV up for blitzes like we did Harper.
I just want to see our safeties play deep where they can help our corners on the outside and actually be ballhawks and try to get us turnovers. If we have coverage skills at the LB position we won't have to pull the safeties up to cover slot guys or TEs all the time, and they will get the opportunity to make more plays.
We played a ton of 4-2-5 sets last season but we had more safeties on the roster, too. I know we have Bush but I would much rather play traditional 3-4-4 or 4-3-4 sets and let our safeties play traditional cover 2,or even single high if we want to bring KV up for blitzes like we did Harper.
I just want to see our safeties play deep where they can help our corners on the outside and actually be ballhawks and try to get us turnovers. If we have coverage skills at the LB position we won't have to pull the safeties up to cover slot guys or TEs all the time, and they will get the opportunity to make more plays.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 3/31/14 at 10:26 pm to Rand AlThor
This is why I would cream if Mosely fell. He is excellent in coverage, good tackler too he just occasionally gets blown up in the run game, but teamed up with Lofton we'll that's quite a duo. 
Posted on 3/31/14 at 10:50 pm to Rand AlThor
quote:I think the league average in sub sets is around 60% or higher now and you hear coaches talk about it all the time. The nickel packages are actually the true base packages for almost every team in the league.
I would much rather play traditional 3-4-4 or 4-3-4 sets
The other issue was the strength of our Dlinemen vs. the strength of the LB corp vs. the strength of the secondary.
We had much better linemen depth than anticipated and, despite being called an OLB, Galette played DE. So going with 4 down linemen was a no brainer. They really made the whole thing work last year.
And when you look at our LBs vs. our secondary and who was better in pass coverage(this is a passing league now after all), it was clear that playing more nickel was going to happen.
Only listing guys with over 100 snaps, looking at Lofton, Hawthorne, Haralson, and Humber vs. Jenkins, Vaccaro, Bush, Harper, Lewis, White, Greer, and Carr, it was clear we had to go with more sub.
It was also clear, especially since we lost Robinson very early and later Greer, that our safety group was better than our CB group.
That was more of a factor in the 3 safety sets than some Ryan tick that most people say he will definitely stick with(though Bush is legit and I think, depending on the draft, we'll see about 50/50 in 3rd corner vs. 3rd safety).
If we get a legit coverage LB, I don't think we'll necessarily see a rise in base sets. I think we'll just see him play more snaps than Hawthorne.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:00 pm to blueslover
1)Ford LB Aub
2)Mosley LB Ala
3)Fuller CB Va Tech
4)Beckham WR LSU
5)Cooks WR Ore St
6)Ealy DE Mizzou
7)Verrett CB TCU
8)Donald DT Pitt
9)Roby CB Ohio St
10)Shazier LB Ohio St
11)Ebron TE NC
12)Lee WR USC
13)Matthews WR Vandy
2)Mosley LB Ala
3)Fuller CB Va Tech
4)Beckham WR LSU
5)Cooks WR Ore St
6)Ealy DE Mizzou
7)Verrett CB TCU
8)Donald DT Pitt
9)Roby CB Ohio St
10)Shazier LB Ohio St
11)Ebron TE NC
12)Lee WR USC
13)Matthews WR Vandy
Posted on 4/1/14 at 8:08 am to blueslover
quote:
we have 15 ballots so far, 5 more and we can call it consensus
Blues, we now have 20 posters contributing. I can post the results if we are ready.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:02 am to GOON
boom, do it
some are incomplete, just count what is there
Most accurate would be to do the reverse points. It reflects rank and mass. 13 for a 1st, 12 for a 2nd etc. One 1st vote twice the weight of a 6th that way. I would denote 1st place votes in parenthesis too. Datty boost for vital accounting
some are incomplete, just count what is there
Most accurate would be to do the reverse points. It reflects rank and mass. 13 for a 1st, 12 for a 2nd etc. One 1st vote twice the weight of a 6th that way. I would denote 1st place votes in parenthesis too. Datty boost for vital accounting
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:05 am to blueslover
quote:
some are incomplete, just count what is there
I only counted those that listed 13 unique picks. You want me to factor in the incomplete ballots?
Name Pos Ave Rank
Mosley LB 2.05
Cooks WR 5.70
Verrett CB 6.30
Ebron TE 6.35
Fuller CB 6.35
Matthews WR 6.40
Roby CB 7.50
Lee WR 7.70
Donald DT 7.75
Beckham WR 8.30
Ford DE 8.50
Shazier LB 8.85
Ealy DE 9.25
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 9:16 am
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:12 am to blueslover
quote:
Most accurate would be to do the reverse points. It reflects rank and mass. 13 for a 1st, 12 for a 2nd etc. One 1st vote twice the weight of a 6th that way. I would denote 1st place votes in parenthesis too.
Doing it this way:
Name Points # of 1st place votes
Mosley 239 (13)
Cooks 166 (0)
Verrett 154 (0)
Ebron 153 (4)
Fuller 153 (1)
Matthews 152 (0)
Roby 130 (1)
Lee 126 (0)
Donald 125 (0)
Beckham 114 (0)
Ford 110 (1)
Shazier 103 (0)
Ealy 95 (0)
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:32 am to GOON
thanks, I'll post it as a new thread
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:32 am to blueslover
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