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re: So Mike Pereira isn't a Jon Gruden fan? NO-ATL MNF related
Posted on 12/29/11 at 7:52 pm to DoubleDown
Posted on 12/29/11 at 7:52 pm to DoubleDown
There are two parts to the rule, helmet to helmet is not necessarily required but you need more than defenseless.
“It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture. (a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [. . .] (2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player; [. . .] (b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is: (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and (2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body."
rule from profootballtalk.com article, not sure how to link from my phone, will update later if I remember
“It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture. (a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [. . .] (2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player; [. . .] (b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is: (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and (2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body."
rule from profootballtalk.com article, not sure how to link from my phone, will update later if I remember
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:01 pm to DoubleDown
quote:Why? The first call was a hit to the head and the no call was a hit to the lower back. That's the difference.
I'm fine with calling the penalty/not calling the penalty - I'm just mad it wasn't called BOTH ways.
You can hit a "defenseless" player anywhere BUT the shoulder and head area.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:11 pm to Catman88
quote:He was (1) hit in the head by an opposing player, which is supposed to be an auto 15 yarder, and (2) tackled by his helmet, which I'm pretty sure must be against the rules.
Im just still trying to figure out how they said NOTHING about Drew Brees a Pro Bowl QB getting tackled by the back of his helmet and having no flag thrown. Bringing a player down by any part of the helmet is a 15 yard penalty long before any new rule changes.
But hey, DoubleDown says the refs were pro-Saints, so I must be dreaming about those two non-calls.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:13 am to LSU Tammany Tiger
quote:
DD..
So what you are saying is that the Saints won because of the refs????
1.Keep kicking field goals...in case u dont know
7 points>3points
2.We had one more turnover....even thought ours was for a TD...
Face it you got beat by a better team...
Where did you get any of that from my posts? I even said "the penalties wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game". It still bothers me that the refs shittily (that a word, frick it, is now) interpret these rules and on any given Sunday - it can alter the outcome of the game. Not so much in this case, BUT when these were called/not called - the Falcons were still in the game!Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:15 am to Ice Cold
Meh - if this had happened to NO - there would be 20 threads about how the refs hate the Saints and the state of Louisiana.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:26 am to DoubleDown
quote:
Meh - if this had happened to NO - there would be 20 threads about how the refs hate the Saints and the state of Louisiana.
Welcome to Saints Talk.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:28 am to DoubleDown
In any event, the rule posted earlier gave no indication that Jenkins did anything wrong. Defenseless Receiver is a blow to the head or neck area while in the act of catching or after the catch and he did not establish himself as a runner. They even address helmet to helmet if the defender is in the act of tackling.
Either way, by rule, the Lofton hit was illegal and the Jenkins wasn't even though the Jenkins hit was brutal.
Either way, by rule, the Lofton hit was illegal and the Jenkins wasn't even though the Jenkins hit was brutal.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:32 am to DoubleDown
DD its been a long season and the Saints and your team have both suffered and benifited from the worst ref work in years!
But on those calls...I don't much like pereira ... one hit was in the back the other helmet to helmet.
But on those calls...I don't much like pereira ... one hit was in the back the other helmet to helmet.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:43 am to DoubleDown
quote:This post scares me. I can't tell if you are messing with the board or just insane. These plays were not similar at all.
I'm fine with calling the penalty/not calling the penalty - I'm just mad it wasn't called BOTH ways.
FWIW I am against the helmet to helmet calls when the ball is in play. The speed of the game is too fast and it is an unreasonable expectation.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 10:57 am to trex1230
quote:At the time I said it was a tough call on Lofton because he was already in tackle mode when Colston dropped down to his level after the catch, and their helmets happened to hit.
FWIW I am against the helmet to helmet calls when the ball is in play. The speed of the game is too fast and it is an unreasonable expectation.
But that is one of those no-fault rules, i.e., it doesn't matter if you intended to hit helmet-to-helmet, it only matters that you did.
On the Jenkins hit, the guy was in the act of trying to catch a pass and he was hit from behind. I don't understand how that hit should be called a penalty. So anytime a guy goes up in the air for a pass, he's a "defenseless receiver"? That's crazy.
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