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re: So Brees is the NFL leader in yards, TDs, comp%; is 13-3, yet isnt the MVP?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:50 pm to Froman
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:50 pm to Froman
quote:How is that a bad argument? LOL.
The more INTs thing is such a bad argument
Most of the things Brees leads in is because he threw wayyy more. Completions, yards, things like that.
If you look at TD%, INT%, and yards per attempt, Rodgers is way ahead of not just Brees, but everyone.
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Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:50 pm to Froman
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The more INTs thing is such a bad argument, but the only one the Rodgers supporters have.
Both QBs play in a pass happy offense. Rodgers has less losses and less picks. He also beat the Saints.
If I was voting, I'd give it to Peyton.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:51 pm to Cam71090
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I was clearly saying that you are making up the criteria, not the stats.
EVERYONE has different criteria, so what are you talking about?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:52 pm to TN Bhoy
Can someone explain how ints is such a critical stat when not all ints are a qbs fault? Hell how many fluke ints did brees have counted against him when the wr bobbled or hit the ball intoa defenders hands. each int should be reviewed if they really wanted to count that stat as the decision maker for MVP.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:53 pm to Froman
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The more INTs thing is such a bad argument, but the only one the Rodgers supporters have.
They also use the wins argument. The fact that Peyton Manning was "undefeated as a starter" is what won him the MVP Award over Brees and Favre in 2009 despite the fact that Brees and Favre were the two best quarterbacks in the NFL that year.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:54 pm to TN Bhoy
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If I was voting, I'd give it to Peyton.
I will never understand this.
Why even play at all if you can win on IR?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:54 pm to shel311
Brees has 14 int and 1 lost fumble.
Rodgers has 6 int.
Brees is 13-3 with losses to TB and St. Louis
Rodgers is 14-1
Rodgers has 6 int.
Brees is 13-3 with losses to TB and St. Louis
Rodgers is 14-1
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:55 pm to crownNbull
Brees is far more valuable. Which is what the award is for.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:57 pm to shel311
So you discount the fact that brees has the record for completion percentage? If he throws a lot and has a lower completion rate then you have a point.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:57 pm to crownNbull
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Brees has 14 int and 1 lost fumble.
Rodgers has 6 int.
Brees is 13-3 with losses to TB and St. Louis
Rodgers is 14-1
Don't forget Rodgers he averages a full yard more per attempt.
Rodgers throws a TD 9.2% of his throws, Brees 6.6%.
Rodgers throws an INT 1.2% of the time, Brees 2.1%.
Cue all the Saintards saying I'm a hater of my own favorite player LOL.
I'm logical and can view things fairly unbiased.
This post was edited on 1/1/12 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:57 pm to crownNbull
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Brees is 13-3 with losses to TB and St. Louis
Rodgers is 14-1
The biggest flaw in this argument is that wins are a team stat. Both teams actually have defenses.
As far as the losses for the Saints go, I don't think anyone was going to beat St. Louis that day with how lights out they played. I don't know if was so much the fact that the Saints were caught with their pants down after demolishing Indy, but St. Louis just playing their best game of the season on all sides of the ball. You know how the old saying goes. On any given Sunday, any team can win.
Tampa Bay was just bad. The Saints kept up with Green Bay in that loss, but no excuses should be made for that one either.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:58 pm to Catman88
shhh, that kills his efficiency argument
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:59 pm to Deathrider
Tampa bay game we also had no head coach calling plays.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 3:59 pm to Catman88
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So you discount the fact that brees has the record for completion percentage?
YOu rather a guy who completes 71% of his passes at 8.2 yards per attempt, or 68% of his passes at 9.2 yards per attempt?
That's a rhetorical question, any and everyone will take the better yards per attempt unless the completion% difference was like 20%.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:00 pm to Cam71090
quote:YPA>Completion%
shhh, that kills his efficiency argument
Shhhh
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:01 pm to shel311
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YPA>Completion%
Shhhh
So Rodgers had more YPA, but Brees was more accurate. What's missing here is that the Saints had the best offense in the NFL.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:02 pm to Catman88
Anyone have a real number for ints thrown by drew where the ball didnt get kicked into a defenders hands or bobbled into a defenders hands? Why can a wr get credited with a drop and the qb is still hit with an mvp killing int?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:02 pm to Deathrider
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So Rodgers had more YPA, but Brees was more accurate.
And YPA is a much more important stat, just think about it.
You gain a full yard more every time you throw the ball. That's it, it doesn't need further explanation.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:03 pm to Catman88
quote:I do agree and wish there was some sort of qualifier for that.
Why can a wr get credited with a drop and the qb is still hit with an mvp killing int?
But Rodgers threw 6 INTs all year. So if you took out the possible INTs that wasn't his fault, I'm fairly certain he'd still have less INTs credited as his fault than brees.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 4:04 pm to shel311
I would take drew brees over rodgers every fricking day of the week. Yards per catch means jack shite since players getting yards after the catch is factored into it and offensive scheme as well
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