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re: SEC tonight says saints talking to Russell Sheppard from Lsu
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:42 am to EarthwormJim
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:42 am to EarthwormJim
In his worst game ever I still see the potential
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Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:45 am to DelU249
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And about the most of the defense had a good game. 150 yards rushing.
Yes, after they saw the field all game because the offense wasn't doing shite. That tends to happen.
Tell you what though, you keep going crazy over the guy. He's undersized, doesn't have good coverage skills (I don't really care what you say about this), and has tremendous off the field problems. It would be a waste of a 3rd round pick. Like I said, 6th or 7th would be ok, but not 3rd. Especially going to a place like New Orleans.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:46 am to F machine
So being onthe field the entire game only hurts the run defense?
I'd like you, and I'm not being an a-hole I think you're an awesome poster, to explain how 2 completions is getting worked.
Eta: 2 completions in which he had good coverage.
3rd round is chocked full of gambles. Otherwise they'd be drafted higher.
I'd like you, and I'm not being an a-hole I think you're an awesome poster, to explain how 2 completions is getting worked.
Eta: 2 completions in which he had good coverage.
3rd round is chocked full of gambles. Otherwise they'd be drafted higher.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 10:48 am
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:48 am to DelU249
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So being onthe field the entire game only hurts the run defense?
Hurts the run defense a lot more than it does the pass defense.
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to explain how 2 completions is getting worked.
Well, I don't think it's only 2 completions like you are claiming first of all. And even if it was 2 completions, there were pretty huge completions.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:51 am to elprez00
Shepard got thrown to the wolves his freshman year. He should of been redshirted. I think he has the physical tools now to make a squad. Has to be on special teams though.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:52 am to F machine
I'm looking and that seems to be the case. That video goes out of its way to show when he gave up even a routine completion. Don't know why they'd leave any out.
Those completions wouldn't have been as huge if the LSU offense was even halfway decent. I don't think bama scores 10 points playing an LSU team with marginal offensive production. Anyway, I need to check the point production on the 2 drives where he gave up a completion.
Is it possible like earthworm said that its just been said so many times its accepted as fact?
Those completions wouldn't have been as huge if the LSU offense was even halfway decent. I don't think bama scores 10 points playing an LSU team with marginal offensive production. Anyway, I need to check the point production on the 2 drives where he gave up a completion.
Is it possible like earthworm said that its just been said so many times its accepted as fact?
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:53 am to EarthwormJim
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It's not that crazy that a guy with limited carries has an inflated ypc. Also that ypc is skewed by big runs against lesser competetion. If you look at carries against SEC teams, his ypc is closer to 5.5.
5.5 is still pretty good.
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Shepard struggled to get open most of his career and a good portion of his TDs came on designed screens. He averaged 9.8 yards per catch, not exactly great.
Sounds like he can possibly be a little slot guy like what's being used all around the league.
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Got any stats on how many targets he had or target to catch ratio?
I really have no idea. I don't remember him being targeted all that much though. Even so, who knows where the throws were with the qbs that were throwing to him.
I think he'd be worth it considering you won't even have to use a pick on him. See what Payton might be able to do with him.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:54 am to F machine
I will say that what I saw of sheppard, he didnt stick out as a bad player. The only thing that stuck out was how high the balls were going over his head.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:55 am to DelU249
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Is it possible like earthworm said that its just been said so many times its accepted as fact?
No. I can remember thinking this while the game was going on. I remember thinking Saban found his weakness. He was great all year and felt flat there.
Anyway, if we could get him for the right price I'd say go for it. I guess you never know. Plus he might be decent on special teams. Not for a 3rd. That's too high.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:58 am to F machine
We'll see. I think he's gone by the mid thir anyway. Scouts seemed to love him in interviews and he ran a really good 40
Poor manti teo, 5'9 HB can tackle lacy and he's getting bowled over
Poor manti teo, 5'9 HB can tackle lacy and he's getting bowled over
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:58 am to DelU249
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The only thing that stuck out was how high the balls were going over his head.
He's undersized, but so is HB7. I think you can work around an undersized WR more than you can a DB. Just put him in the slot like Welker or one of those small guys.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:59 am to DelU249
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Poor manti teo, 5'9 HB can tackle lacy and he's getting bowled over
Well, he's going to go way too high. If we draft him I'll drink a cup of bleach.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:00 am to F machine
I can drink (bleach) to that. Te'o sucks. He's a product of hype not performance.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:01 am to F machine
I'm more pointing fingers at LSU's slew of awful QBs.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:05 am to F machine
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doesn't have good coverage skills (I don't really care what you say about this),
FWIW, there's not many scouts that agree with that. He rarely got beat deep or gave up seperation. The knock on him is his size and his ability to be an everydown corner.
But he wasn't really an every down corner at LSU and that's not where he thrives. His cover skills are good enough to be a safety/corner hybrid which will allow teams to utelize him where he excelled in college.
He's great at reading defenses, being around the ball, tackling, making plays on the ball. His only negative on the football field is his size, but in the right position that weakness can be disguised.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:06 am to EarthwormJim
What he just said. Love him or hate him, I think most people are intrigued to see what he does at te next level.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:10 am to F machine
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5.5 is still pretty good
Pretty good, but still inflated by limited carries.
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Sounds like he can possibly be a little slot guy like what's being used all around the league.
The problem with that is he doesn't have great hands and has shown on tape that it's easy to bring him to the ground.
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I really have no idea. I don't remember him being targeted all that much though. Even so, who knows where the throws were with the qbs that were throwing to him.
He wasn't targeted much because he struggled to get open and dropped routine passes.
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I think he'd be worth it considering you won't even have to use a pick on him. See what Payton might be able to do with him
Absolutely. I think the guy has some value as an offensive player, but even more if he show he can play DB to go along with being a good special teamer. Shep's value is all dependant on his versatility. If he can fill the role of 3 end of the bench guys, then he'll always have a shot to make a team.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:16 am to EarthwormJim
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FWIW, there's not many scouts that agree with that.
Well, sometimes these guys get it right and sometimes they don't.
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He rarely got beat deep or gave up seperation. The knock on him is his size and his ability to be an everydown corner.
But he wasn't really an every down corner at LSU and that's not where he thrives. His cover skills are good enough to be a safety/corner hybrid which will allow teams to utelize him where he excelled in college.
Well, he probably isn't going to get beat deep all that much with where he was playing. Like you said, he was in a position to make plays.
I'm typing all of this negative stuff about him, but I don't hate the guy. I just don't think he's right for us considering what draft picks we have, how high he might be drafted, and his off the field issues. He would be entirely too close to all of that shite that got him in trouble. He even said that himself.
A change of scenery would be good for him. Put him in a solid defense where all he has to do is make plays and he might work. I really don't think he will, but he might. He just doesn't fit in with us right now.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:17 am to F machine
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No. I can remember thinking this while the game was going on.
Fans are overly critical of their great players. LSU fans even went out of their way to point to times Peterson got beat in college as a knock on him as a corner
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I remember thinking Saban found his weakness. He was great all year and felt flat there.
Every corner's weakness is perfect passes and great catches.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:19 am to EarthwormJim
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Shep's value is all dependant on his versatility. If he can fill the role of 3 end of the bench guys, then he'll always have a shot to make a team.
Maybe. I don't know about db, but I suppose we will see. I would just like to see him being used by coaches who know what they are doing. I just feel the offensive coaches at LSU misused him, and I honestly think they continue to do that with the wide receivers they have now. Maybe that will change with Cameron.
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