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re: Saints/Loomis/Payton accused of drug cover up-Shite just got real
Posted on 5/4/10 at 11:57 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 5/4/10 at 11:57 am to Lester Earl
quote:You're right, Lester. I can't make any sense out of what you're typing on this topic.
you have reading comprehension problems.
you should really stop picking out my posts and trying to debate with me. because you only end up looking stupid. Especially if you cant even comprehend what I type. Seriously, that has to get old.
Of course, my reading skills were good enough for a perfect 36 on the Reading section of the ACT, and they were good enough to get me a degree in English with a literature emphasis at LSU. Kind of funny that my reading comprehension problems began when I started reading your posts in this thread.
The weird thing about this is that I actually have a high regard for your opinion and usually agree with you. The last time I actually remember debating you about something was before last season when I predicted that Devery would have a breakout year and finish 2nd on the team in receptions. Of course, I'm probably forgetting an argument where I was wrong.
In any case, you can give up the persecution complex. I'm defending Loomis in this thread, not trying to pick a fight with you.
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 12:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
so then why ask this when I've explained my thoughts on this exact thign:
Payton and his scouts evaluate the talent. If he wants a player, or is interested in a player, he tells Mickey Loomis. He is Mickey's puppet in that regard.
Loomis, in turn, sees if it can work out financially. And if it can, he works out the deal.
So yes, I give Sean Payton a lot of credit for the talent accumulated on our roster the past 5 years.
Sean Payton cannot control what Mickey Loomis pays the guys.
And yes, I blame Loomis for the bad contracts that he has made since his inception as GM in 2002 or 01, whenever it was.
you say your reading comprehension is in the 100 percentile, yet all you can say is "well why didn't you just say you didn't like him?"
my answer to that, is I have spelled out for the last 3-4 pages or so WHY i never liked the guy. IT's not that I just don't like him. I have reasons. I don't see what is so hard to understand my man.
The team is obviously in good hands right now. Like I said, he doesn't need to be fired or anything like that. But I wouldn't lose sleep. It might even be better that there is no GM to clash with Payton in terms of player evaluations.
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So Payton gets all the credit for bringing in and re-signing the players who made our championship possible (because Loomis is just Payton's "puppet"), but the money we spent on those players is Loomis's fault.
Payton and his scouts evaluate the talent. If he wants a player, or is interested in a player, he tells Mickey Loomis. He is Mickey's puppet in that regard.
Loomis, in turn, sees if it can work out financially. And if it can, he works out the deal.
So yes, I give Sean Payton a lot of credit for the talent accumulated on our roster the past 5 years.
Sean Payton cannot control what Mickey Loomis pays the guys.
And yes, I blame Loomis for the bad contracts that he has made since his inception as GM in 2002 or 01, whenever it was.
you say your reading comprehension is in the 100 percentile, yet all you can say is "well why didn't you just say you didn't like him?"
my answer to that, is I have spelled out for the last 3-4 pages or so WHY i never liked the guy. IT's not that I just don't like him. I have reasons. I don't see what is so hard to understand my man.
The team is obviously in good hands right now. Like I said, he doesn't need to be fired or anything like that. But I wouldn't lose sleep. It might even be better that there is no GM to clash with Payton in terms of player evaluations.
Posted on 5/4/10 at 12:33 pm to Lester Earl
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he is a guy that is a self proclaimed "money manager", yet he isn't really good at that and he has very little hand in evaluating and choosing talent. He's basically Sean Payton's puppet. He might have the final say-so, but thats about it.
He began his career as an accountant and was one for many years before becoming the GM of Seattle
Posted on 5/4/10 at 12:36 pm to TEXASTIGER22
yes, i know
Posted on 5/4/10 at 12:41 pm to Lester Earl
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Mickey Loomis DOES NOT KNOW FOOTBALL
Ive had quite a few talks with him face to face about football and this is simply not true. He started out as an accountant and didnt have a strong football knowledge but over his many years in the NFL has developed a very impressive understanding of both the game and talent evaluation. He is also humble enough to let his coaches and staff make these decisions if he trusts them which with Sean he obviously does. I cant imagine any GM getting this much shite after winning his sports championship ever. You people are delusional if you dont think he a good bit to do with the most success any New Orleans team has ever had
Posted on 5/4/10 at 12:42 pm to Lester Earl
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yes, i know
So he wasnt exactly self proclaimed, he was one by trade for many years
Posted on 5/4/10 at 1:09 pm to TEXASTIGER22
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So he wasnt exactly self proclaimed, he was one by trade for many years
when he says publicly that is his main job and strongpoint, then i say thats self proclaimed.
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I cant imagine any GM getting this much shite after winning his sports championship ever.
i dont really think he is getting much shite. In fact most people think he is god.
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You people are delusional if you dont think he a good bit to do with the most success any New Orleans team has ever had
would you not agree that Sean Payton and/or Drew Brees saved his career?
he was hanging on by a thread. if Benson wouldn't have just fired Mueller he probably wouldn't have had any leash and probably wouldnt be a GM now
Posted on 5/4/10 at 1:49 pm to Lester Earl
The 3 reasons the Saints won the Super Bowl are 1) Sean Payton, 2) Drew Brees and 3) Greg Williams.
Any Saints fan who believes Tom Benson and Mickey Loomis became a genius front office tandem in the past 4 years is delusional. Benson took a chance on Payton and struck gold. But that is the extent of his expertise. Loomis is simply a money manager. I have listened to Loomis talk often enough about personnel to know he doesn't know shite about evaluating players. You can rest assured Sean Payton, the assistant coaches, and the scouts are solely responsible for assembling the talent on the roster and making the most of it.
Any Saints fan who believes Tom Benson and Mickey Loomis became a genius front office tandem in the past 4 years is delusional. Benson took a chance on Payton and struck gold. But that is the extent of his expertise. Loomis is simply a money manager. I have listened to Loomis talk often enough about personnel to know he doesn't know shite about evaluating players. You can rest assured Sean Payton, the assistant coaches, and the scouts are solely responsible for assembling the talent on the roster and making the most of it.
This post was edited on 5/4/10 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 5/4/10 at 2:27 pm to Lester Earl
quote:So Sean Payton hired our scouts and coordinates their efforts? That's interesting to me. I'm not questioning it -- just did not know that.
Payton and his scouts evaluate the talent. If he wants a player, or is interested in a player, he tells Mickey Loomis. He is Mickey's puppet in that regard.
quote:So you give Payton credit for accumulating the talent that led to our championship, but not Loomis, whom you say works it out financially. I think I'm reading that correctly, but please help me if I'm wrong.
Loomis, in turn, sees if it can work out financially. And if it can, he works out the deal.
So yes, I give Sean Payton a lot of credit for the talent accumulated on our roster the past 5 years.
Sean Payton cannot control what Mickey Loomis pays the guys.
Lester, I could assemble a championship team if I didn't have to make it work financially. In my opinion, you are too eager to fault Loomis for mistakes he made 7-8 years ago, and to give him no credit for his role in assembling our current roster is ridiculous.
But I'm sure others have read enough of this argument to make up their own minds, so I'll shut up now and give you the last word.
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:06 pm to GOP_Tiger
Again with the questions, after I have spelled everything out for you??? come on man. 100th percentile my arse.
You simply fit into the group of fans that sit back and think he is awesome because he is the general manager of the Super Bowl winner. And that's fine. That's all you know. You don't really know any better.
You choose not to pay attention to this teams history under his management, or what he actually says about himself, or what Sean Payton says himself regarding our team. Nor are you able to draw context clues when comparing our last coaching staff and scouting department with our current one, and the different outcomes we have had season to season. If you can't see the difference, WITH THE SAME GENERAL MANAGER at the helm, then i dont know what to say.
You simply fit into the group of fans that sit back and think he is awesome because he is the general manager of the Super Bowl winner. And that's fine. That's all you know. You don't really know any better.
You choose not to pay attention to this teams history under his management, or what he actually says about himself, or what Sean Payton says himself regarding our team. Nor are you able to draw context clues when comparing our last coaching staff and scouting department with our current one, and the different outcomes we have had season to season. If you can't see the difference, WITH THE SAME GENERAL MANAGER at the helm, then i dont know what to say.
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:36 pm to Lester Earl
IN MICKEY WE TRUST
Posted on 5/4/10 at 6:22 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Sean Payton cannot control what Mickey Loomis pays the guys.
How do you know for sure?
If Sean has no control at ALL with payroll then he's just a tool.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 8:59 am to goatmilker
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If Sean has no control at ALL with payroll then he's just a tool.
I'd imagine it's a much more interactive relationship where Loomis reminds Payton of the salary consequences of the personnel decisions he's making so Payton can make the best decision on who to keep and who to let go.
Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:58 pm to TigerinATL
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I'd imagine it's a much more interactive relationship where Loomis reminds Payton of the salary consequences of the personnel decisions he's making so Payton can make the best decision on who to keep and who to let go.
Finally... The real issue here - Who to let go. If Loomis decided to let Vitt go to the medicine cabinet - That would definitely be the WORST personnel decision he's ever made.
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