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re: Saints/Loomis/Payton accused of drug cover up-Shite just got real

Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:56 pm to
Posted by kclsufan
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:56 pm to
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Really, really good explanation by someone who's actually read the entire lawsuit

Good find.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:00 pm to
Got it from SR
Posted by jdrumdog
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:01 pm to
good stuff eyeran, very informative.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:02 pm to
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is also an easy excuse for you not being able to come up with another bad contract


Deuce???

Will Smith is over paid.

Joe Horn had a bad contract

Aaron Brooks' contract: horrible


just off the top of my head. Thats not even counting the bad drafts he had. the inability to add defensive talent. Not having the balls to push our coaches fire our horrible coordinators.

Do u think its coincidence that our drafts became so much better under Payton than they were under Haslett? The GM was the same; the coaches weren't. Payton's calling the shots, not Loomis.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:09 pm to
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He's basically Sean Payton's puppet
So Loomis hired Payton but is his puppet? Do you really mean that Payton has authority over Loomis? Or just that Loomis pays a lot of attention to Payton's judgment (which seems to be pretty good)?

Maybe the Saints would have been better off without Loomis. They could have just let the City Council pick the coach.
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Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:11 pm to
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I do like how you say "off the top of my head" like you had those numbers memorized.


Off the top of my head, as in those were the first two that came to mind.

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an easy excuse for you not being able to come up with another bad contract


how many bad contracts = a shitty gm?
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:12 pm to
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how many bad contracts = a shitty gm?
Well, more than one since thats all you came up with
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:15 pm to
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Deuce???
So its Loomis fault Deuce turned into a fatass and blew out both knees

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Will Smith is over paid.
Thats fricking retatrded
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Joe Horn had a bad contract
No he wasnt. He was a multiple pro bowler. Should he be making the minimum?

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Aaron Brooks' contract: horrible
6 yr 36 mill is far from a horrible deal for a starting QB


Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:22 pm to
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eyeran


LET'S BRING IN THOMAS HOWARD!!!! YEAH!!! You know your GM'ing, sorry for questioning you!

Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:24 pm to
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LET'S BRING IN THOMAS HOWARD!!!! YEAH!!! You know your GM'ing, sorry for questioning you
aka: "I have no argument."

Lets forfeit the 2nd overall pick since we dont wanna pay that money.

Move along. You sound ridiculous
This post was edited on 5/3/10 at 11:26 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:26 pm to
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Deuce???

Will Smith is over paid.

Joe Horn had a bad contract

Aaron Brooks' contract: horrible
If Smith is overpaid, it isn't by much. The other deals are so old, you're making a good argument that Loomis has learned from his mistakes and improved.
This post was edited on 5/3/10 at 11:27 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:31 pm to
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"I have no argument.


what was my argument? i simply pointed out two bad contracts when someone brought up Loomis being bad at money, I never once tried to state an "argument"

keep calling for the Saints to sign every player that is released. I'm sure you're a BA at Madden!
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:35 pm to
Ok. You cant seem to comprehend that no matter who they picked 2nd overall, that person was gonna get a huge contract.

Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:35 pm to
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So its Loomis fault Deuce turned into a fatass and blew out both knees



it was a huge deal, year wise, that would have paid him until he was like 35. 7 or 8 years if i remember right.

Deuce had to restructure his deal just so he could stay put.

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Thats fricking retatrded



if he plays like he did this past year, then yes its retarded. HE has yet to earn the money he has been paid besides this past year.

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No he wasnt. He was a multiple pro bowler. Should he be making the minimum?



he got a 6 year contract extension at 33 or 34 years old


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6 yr 36 mill is far from a horrible deal for a starting QB



he got a good deal of guaranteed money if i remember right


again, thats not even counting the inability to develop a competitive defense and competent coaching staff

or some of the other deals mentioned like Grant and Reggie Bush


i just never did like the guy from the start, and its painfully obvious Sean Payton bought him a shitload of more time as our GM
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:36 pm to
Will Smith had the 14th highest total salary among DEs last year. $6,670,000 due to bonuses. His base salary was barealy over 1 million

Thats not overpaying for what Smith gives the team
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22201 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:37 pm to
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i just never did like the guy from the start
This wouldve saved us all a lot of time
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:37 pm to
I understand that

But maybe they shouldn't have drafted Bush #2 overall? Not sure who's fault that is, though.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:39 pm to
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So Loomis hired Payton but is his puppet?


yes. In regards to player moves. Drafts. free agent signings. trades. etc.

Mickey Loomis DOES NOT KNOW FOOTBALL

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Do you really mean that Payton has authority over Loomis?


what the hell is with the questions? I was pretty clear with what I said.

Payton isnt above Loomis on the food chain, but you better believe his opinion weighs heavier than everyone else, including Loomis's
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:42 pm to
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Will Smith had the 14th highest total salary among DEs last year. $6,670,000 due to bonuses. His base salary was barealy over 1 million

Thats not overpaying for what Smith gives the team


he got 26 million in guaranteed money

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The deal will make Smith the third highest-paid defensive end in the NFL, behind Minnesota's Jared Allen and Indianapolis' Dwight Freeney.


nola.com June11 2008





Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 11:43 pm to
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This wouldve saved us all a lot of time



sorry if that wasnt clear when i stated "i wouldnt care if Loomis got fired".

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