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re: Rattler to remain starter per HC Moore; still may see Shough at some point
Posted on 10/20/25 at 2:46 pm to saintsfan1977
Posted on 10/20/25 at 2:46 pm to saintsfan1977
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Shough will get the cupcake part of the schedule.
So are you saying Shough isn’t good enough to be a franchise qb and should only play against cupcakes to make himself look better?
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 2:51 pm to GynoSandberg
Exactly. I’m fine with whatever route Moore decides to go but the excuses the people are making don’t make any sense.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 2:51 pm to dj30
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So are you saying Shough isn’t good enough to be a franchise qb and should only play against cupcakes to make himself look better?
I don't know but it will build his confidence. If we started him week 1 he'd be 1-6 at best and ya'll would be wanting to bench him for Rattler lol.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 2:54 pm to saintsfan1977
don't know but it will build his confidence. If we started him week 1 he'd be 1-6 at best and ya'll would be wanting to bench him for Rattler lol.
Careful now....you can't be saying stuff like that around here.
Careful now....you can't be saying stuff like that around here.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:00 pm to dupergreenie
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Careful now....you can't be saying stuff like that around here.
I think everyone understands the thought process in a normal situation of the hot shot rookie behind the veteran that’s struggling.
The issue here is the guy that’s starting is the younger guy who won the qb competition.
Why do you want to build ones guys confidence guys confidence but not the other?
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:04 pm to dj30
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The issue here is the guy that’s starting is the younger guy who won the qb competition.
Why do you want to build ones guys confidence guys confidence but not the other?
Moore didn't hand pick Rattler. He knew what Rattler was when he hired on. Most teams don't throw their rookie QB out there to start. They let them sit and learn. What benefit would Shough have starting week 1? Rattler is younger but inconsistently accurate and doesn't see the whole field.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:06 pm to dj30
I think some of you guys overthink this.
We have 2 QB's which probably wont effect the W/L record in year 1 of a true rebuild. One of which we just drafted rather high and is an older guy.
We can see tape on both of these guys, and sacrifice virtually NOTHING to do it. Probably wont impact our W/L, or our draft spot, if either of them is so soft this ruins them mentally, then we should know that sooner rather than later. We could see both guys, with the same roster and receivers before the offseason.
Why would we opt not to get tape on both guys? It doesn't make any sense to me. There's 0 opportunity cost.
Who cares who's "Moore's guy", who cares where they came from. They are both assets of the saints, and we are going to opt to not appraise one for no returned benefit? Like absolutely no payback to keep 1 of them hidden? The only thing anyone can genuinely say we sacrifice to see Shough, is more game snaps for Rattler development. I just haven't seen enough from the guy to think that matters at this point. If shough sucks, we just go back to rattler next year if we don't replace both of them. Seems like leaving one as an unknown is a misplay.
We have 2 QB's which probably wont effect the W/L record in year 1 of a true rebuild. One of which we just drafted rather high and is an older guy.
We can see tape on both of these guys, and sacrifice virtually NOTHING to do it. Probably wont impact our W/L, or our draft spot, if either of them is so soft this ruins them mentally, then we should know that sooner rather than later. We could see both guys, with the same roster and receivers before the offseason.
Why would we opt not to get tape on both guys? It doesn't make any sense to me. There's 0 opportunity cost.
Who cares who's "Moore's guy", who cares where they came from. They are both assets of the saints, and we are going to opt to not appraise one for no returned benefit? Like absolutely no payback to keep 1 of them hidden? The only thing anyone can genuinely say we sacrifice to see Shough, is more game snaps for Rattler development. I just haven't seen enough from the guy to think that matters at this point. If shough sucks, we just go back to rattler next year if we don't replace both of them. Seems like leaving one as an unknown is a misplay.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:09 pm to Pendulum
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Why would we opt not to get tape on both guys?
We will.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:14 pm to Pendulum
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Who cares who's "Moore's guy"
Moore does.
He is the one that matters. Not us on a fan forum.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:20 pm to saintsfan1977
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Moore didn't hand pick Rattler. He knew what Rattler was when he hired on.
Well he shouldn’t be playing him. You are basically accusing Moore of losing on purpose when you make statements like this.
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Most teams don't throw their rookie QB out there to start. They let them sit and learn.
If your first statement is true then they should have signed a veteran if Moore already knew what he had in Rattler.
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What benefit would Shough have starting week 1?
Experience, learning the game. There isn’t a set way to do this. We’ve seen both ways work.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:20 pm to dupergreenie
So not worth debating, I agree.
Let's see both guys.
Let's see both guys.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:24 pm to Pendulum
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Let's see both guys.
Are you Moore?
You don't get a vote in this, none of us do. Why is our opinion on the matter more important than the coach?
There's 3 former quarterbacks on the staff.....how do you know more than they do about when to start someone?
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:33 pm to dj30
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Well he shouldn’t be playing him. You are basically accusing Moore of losing on purpose when you make statements like this.
No. I'm not. He had to see what he had in Rattler. The previous regime sucked.
quote:See above. We had Derek Carr incase you forgot.
If your first statement is true then they should have signed a veteran if Moore already knew what he had in Rattler.
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Experience, learning the game. There isn’t a set way to do this. We’ve seen both ways work.
Not against 4 playoff teams. That would be stupid. Rattler was looking serviceable before yesterday.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:35 pm to Pendulum
I hear what you are saying. I’ve already I said I’ll support whatever guy Moore chooses.
People also wanted tape on Ian Book & Jake Haener and we see how that turned out. What you people need to understand is, sometimes there is a reason a guy isn’t playing.
Hopefully this isn’t the case but you people sound like Jets fans who wanted Christian Hackenberg to start.
People also wanted tape on Ian Book & Jake Haener and we see how that turned out. What you people need to understand is, sometimes there is a reason a guy isn’t playing.
Hopefully this isn’t the case but you people sound like Jets fans who wanted Christian Hackenberg to start.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:48 pm to saintsfan1977
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No. I'm not. He had to see what he had in Rattler. The previous regime sucked.
You are making things up to push your agenda. On one post you say he already knew what he had in Rattler. On the next post now he had to see what he had in Rattler because the previous regime sucked.
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See above. We had Derek Carr incase you forgot.
From my understanding the team was already in the know of the Carr injury situation. I meant during this time, why not bring a vet in.
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Not against 4 playoff teams. That would be stupid. Rattler was looking serviceable before yesterday.
This wasn’t some murders row of teams coming into the season.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:53 pm to dj30
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You are making things up to push your agenda. On one post you say he already knew what he had in Rattler. On the next post now he had to see what he had in Rattler because the previous regime sucked.
I don't have an agenda. He could see Rattler's short comings from watching tape last year. He had to see if he could fix them.
quote:Like who? There wasn't /isn't a vet that's better than what we have on the roster in this situation.
From my understanding the team was already in the know of the Carr injury situation. I meant during this time, why not bring a vet in.
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This wasn’t some murders row of teams coming into the season.
Ask Kellen Moore why he didn't start Shough.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:59 pm to dupergreenie
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Are you Moore?
You don't get a vote in this, none of us do. Why is our opinion on the matter more important than the coach?
There's 3 former quarterbacks on the staff.....how do you know more than they do about when to start someone?
Why are you on a discussion board dude? You can get straight news elsewhere.
I dont know more than moore about any of this obviously, didnt think there were morons on here where I needed that disclaimer.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:00 pm to Pendulum
The question is why do YOU need to see both guys. You don't. Odds are Shough would suck also if he was starting and you would be bitching about Rattler not playing.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:05 pm to Rand AlThor
aw shite
i mean............aw shuck
i mean............aw shuck
Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:07 pm to dupergreenie
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Odds are Shough would suck also if he was starting and you would be bitching about Rattler not playing.
They all would bitch. Then they would be wanting to draft the next average QB with our 1st rd pick. Rinse and repeat.
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