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re: PFF gave us a C+
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:17 am to goatmilker
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:17 am to goatmilker
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You want us to accept the fact you know more about qbs than CKM? Hahahahahahahaha
What’s the point of us talking about football on here if your only argument is “well the coaches and front office know more about football than us so every decision is correct and we can’t question it”
Their is plenty of evidence that suggests coaches and gms can make really stupid decisions and overthink moves.
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:18 am to High Life
The Saints draft is being graded lower because the Saints passed on Sanders.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:19 am to High Life
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What’s the point of us talking about football on here if your only argument is “well the coaches and front office know more about football than us so every decision is correct and we can’t question it”
Or when people throw PFF at everything like it’s gospel.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:23 am to BTRDD
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The Saints draft is being graded lower because the Saints passed on Sanders.
bruh, y'all gotta let the Sanders shite go... ain't too many people were advocating for Sanders, including me... some can realize that our draft philosophy is not very good...
I said this in another thread:
i'd grade it a C+... having to go T for the 3rd time in 4 years hurts the overall talent upgrade ability to the whole team, and reaching for Shough at 40, going DT when we just added a guy via trade and 2 guys recently drafted at DT, I felt we could have been better served looking at an edge rusher there...
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:27 am to chRxis
All I can tell you is the Saints had a group of edge rushers they would like and in what round. They got picked up by other teams first. We did no trade ups. Just how it goes but to think we we were not hoping to land one or two is silly.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:28 am to High Life
C+ Sounds right and that's only because we got some good prospects late in the draft.
All four of our first picks were reaches. People are complaining about Slough, but Broughton was the biggest reach of all. Dane Brugler, who I think is the most knowledgeable of the draft pundits, had Slough at #50. We picked him at 40. Broughton didn't crack his top 100. Broughton also didn't make Daniel Jeremiah's top 150, and Mel Kiper had him at #152. We picked him at #71.
Safety Xavier Watts seems to have been universally rated higher than Jonas Sanker, but we chose Sanker.
It's easy to say, well the Saints FO knows more than we do, but look at the dogshit picks they've made in recent years. Spending two first round picks on Marcus Davenport when they could have stayed put and drafted Lamar Jackson. Drafting Peyton Turner in round 1 when every projection I saw had him as a late 2nd, early 3rd rounder. And drafting Isaiah Foskey a round early when Brian Branch was still there. So IMO they don't get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to making questionable decisions
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All four of our first picks were reaches. People are complaining about Slough, but Broughton was the biggest reach of all. Dane Brugler, who I think is the most knowledgeable of the draft pundits, had Slough at #50. We picked him at 40. Broughton didn't crack his top 100. Broughton also didn't make Daniel Jeremiah's top 150, and Mel Kiper had him at #152. We picked him at #71.
Safety Xavier Watts seems to have been universally rated higher than Jonas Sanker, but we chose Sanker.
It's easy to say, well the Saints FO knows more than we do, but look at the dogshit picks they've made in recent years. Spending two first round picks on Marcus Davenport when they could have stayed put and drafted Lamar Jackson. Drafting Peyton Turner in round 1 when every projection I saw had him as a late 2nd, early 3rd rounder. And drafting Isaiah Foskey a round early when Brian Branch was still there. So IMO they don't get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to making questionable decisions
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This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 9:33 am
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:34 am to Mushroom1968
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If we reach and that player turns into a stud, then it's irrelevant. There's no way of knowing if the QB and D-lineman we drafted would have been there with our next picks.
There’s nothing wrong with reaching. If you want a player go for it. That’s kinda always been our strategy.
I really was expecting KM to take the BPA approach and I was very excited about that. We didn’t do that and that’s fine.
Their was some early first round talent available at 40. And we drafted a guy that had the profile of a 6th or 7th rounder. You can love the pick. You can’t trust KM with all your heart. But if you can’t call that pick a reach, then there’s no such thing as a reach
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:34 am to Townedrunkard
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Shough and Broughton were pretty big reaches in my opinion.
Slough was a slight reach. Dane Brugler had him at #50 and we chose him at #40.
Broughton was a HUGE reach at #71
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:43 am to goatmilker
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All I can tell you is the Saints had a group of edge rushers they would like and in what round
and all I can tell you is once Dart was no longer available, had we scratched the idea of getting a QB in the draft this year, we could have landed Green or Ezeiruaku, both of which would have been better, overall, for the talent level on this team, vs. Shough...
or instead of going Broughton, go Landon Jackson or Umanmielen...
just seems like overkill to grab a DT when we've recently drafted Bresee and Boyd, traded for Godchaux and Ridgeway, and reworked contracts to keep Saunders and Sheppard... so at best, Broughton is going to be our 4th DT in the rotation...
whereas at DE we have Cam Jordan at the very end of his career now, Chase Young, and Carl Granderson and that's pretty much it... Foskey is a COMPLETE bust, and all you added was journeyman, 29 year old Jonah Williams, who has a whopping 2.5 sacks in his CAREER....
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:50 am to chRxis
If pigs could fly.
Why scratch a qb the Coach wanted for a guy you wanted lol
Why scratch a qb the Coach wanted for a guy you wanted lol
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:00 am to chRxis
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Foskey is a COMPLETE bust
This is what internet and social media has done to us
No patience whatsoever. One season and a bust. Good Lord, we use to wait 3-4 years to determine that, now, no chance of development Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:00 am to chRxis
Yep we didn’t get better in this draft. We drafted a tackle out of necessity. There’s maybe a 10% chance Shough can develop into a starter. That’s based on day 2 quarterback hit rates. And I still thinks it’s fair to debate whether he’s a day 2 quarterback at all.
I’m not going to over analyze the back half of the draft. I think our 3rd and 4th round picks were solid enough. But the reality is any pick after 100 is a crapshoot. You can’t expect any of them to be that great. You’re hoping to land a lucky starter and/or fill depth. Most of these guys won’t pan out or see a second contract.
I’m not going to over analyze the back half of the draft. I think our 3rd and 4th round picks were solid enough. But the reality is any pick after 100 is a crapshoot. You can’t expect any of them to be that great. You’re hoping to land a lucky starter and/or fill depth. Most of these guys won’t pan out or see a second contract.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:01 am to goatmilker
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Why scratch a qb the Coach wanted for a guy you wanted lol
it's this EXACT shortsightedness, the inability to see the overall bigger picture, that has led to where this roster is now... zeroing in on ONE guy, being inflexible, failing to maximize the capital we do have and not leveraging it for what we need...
i understand your need to remain positive and objectively ignoring the overall point... but for some of us, that's not good enough... sorry if thats not ok with you, but it is what it is... the status quo with which this team operates sucks
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:06 am to chRxis
Wow. The overall picture entering the draft was we may not have our starting qb and even so might not be the qb CKM wants. We didn't give up any pics to get him as a 2nd rounder and that's shortsighted to you cause you think he will not work out.
Who's shortsighted?
Who's shortsighted?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:11 am to supersaints9
The qb from Louisville is very underrated. They got a steal
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:16 am to jamal
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quote:I fully agree with that. But to base them strictly off a rank list is even dumber. That's like taking a too early grade and not even basing it off of the player/team.
Truth is, draft grades right after the draft are stupid. Nobody knows how these guys are going to perform. Check back in 2-3 years.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:25 am to goatmilker
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we may not have our starting qb
so clearly you go reach for a project QB with a top 50 pick.... clearly that's what championship teams do...
tell me, in your opinion, what have you seen that makes Shough so much better than what we already have in Rattler? I want to know what YOUR reasoning is for wanting Shough...
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:27 am to Mushroom1968
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One season and a bust.
two... and yes...
let me ask you, does this:
27 games, 0 starts, 25 tackles, 9 solo
scream "impact player" to you?
eta: I forgot 0 sacks... yeah, ZERO
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 10:30 am
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:31 am to chRxis
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two... and yes
Correct, was 2023, my bad.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:32 am to L.A.
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reach
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reach
This kind of thinking is so archaic. Unless you're wasting draft capital and moving up for these kinds of players, nothing is ever really a reach. Moving up is almost hardly ever worth it.
If Broughton ends up starting this year next to Godchaux and Bresee, are we really going to care that we took him in the third round? If Jonas Sanker plays this year and starts next year, we really going to care that he was 12 spots lower than Xavier Watts on Dane Brugler's top 100 picks. Yeah. Probably not.
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