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re: NOPD logs show no record of 911 call to report hit and run
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:09 am to Red Stick Tigress
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:09 am to Red Stick Tigress
When Raquel gives here testimony there wAnt be a jury in the country that wouldn't convict Hayes of murder.
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:11 am to tigerbytail
how do you know what happened?
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:15 am to MightyYat
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Well, the angle that one would have to shoot to get a bullet to hit the passenger door would have to be almost straight through an open door on the driver's side. Take into account that the driver's side was blocked by a large human being and it kind of makes sense that Hayes had to have been pretty close to the driver's side door for that bullet to end up where it did. Not what one would think would be a defensive position. This case is going to be interesting to say the least.
Did they ever come out with how many casings they found on the ground because the gun that Hayes used normally has a 10 round clip (I think they have 12 round clips too but they aren't as common) I think that would bring a new element to the story too. But I agree there is so much unknown in this situation. At the moment it doesn't look good for Hayes. Its killing me not knowing what was on that video of the shooting that fuller said was given to the police. It probably has horrible quality if I had to imagine because no other details have been released. Fuller just seemed very confident when he spoke about that video.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:16 am to Lester Earl
You think the Jury Wil not believe her testimony. You think she will say it was self defense. I think not
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:18 am to Lester Earl
IF........IF.
Hayes shot Raquel first, his case for self-defense evaporates.
Even if he shot her second, I still see no case for self-defense, as it pertains to her shooting. Was she a threat or was it Will?
If one of the Smith's were brandishing a weapon, why was it necessary to shoot the other?
Once Hayes shoots Raquel, Will has every right to try to defend her. Hayes is responsible for the outcome, if this is the way it happened.
Hayes shot Raquel first, his case for self-defense evaporates.
Even if he shot her second, I still see no case for self-defense, as it pertains to her shooting. Was she a threat or was it Will?
If one of the Smith's were brandishing a weapon, why was it necessary to shoot the other?
Once Hayes shoots Raquel, Will has every right to try to defend her. Hayes is responsible for the outcome, if this is the way it happened.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:18 am to tigerbytail
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You think the Jury Wil not believe her testimony. You think she will say it was self defense. I think not
yeah I am sure that they will disregard all the other witness testimony and evidence and just rely on what the widow says.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:21 am to tigerbytail
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You think the Jury Wil not believe her testimony. You think she will say it was self defense. I think not
just curious as to know how you know what happened, thats all
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:22 am to Lester Earl
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just curious as to know how you know what happened, thats all
Lester, no one has acted as smug about this case as you have over the past few weeks. Easy champ.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:24 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Hayes shot Raquel first, his case for self-defense evaporates.
I agree
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Even if he shot her second, I still see no case for self-defense, as it pertains to her shooting. Was she a threat or was it Will? If one of the Smith's were brandishing a weapon, why was it necessary to shoot the other?
If he shot Will first while he was going for the gun and then shot Raquel because she went for it after they could've both been a threat. Fact is we don't know what the hell happened lol.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:26 am to MightyYat
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Lester, no one has acted as smug about this case as you have over the past few weeks. Easy champ
i think it was a pretty fair question for someone insisting that the jury will convict based on her testimony alone.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:29 am to Keeble9145
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How'd you get that conclusion? Not trying to be argumentative just curious because wouldn't you think that if that was a miss from that close it would've went through the door?
Bullet impact on the passenger door.
The position of Will's body and where he was hit. His wife getting shot in the front while being on the driver side
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:29 am to tigerbytail
Thank goodness the jury will be instructed to listen and listen only to her testimony.
Quick trial I guess. Should be done by lunch
Quick trial I guess. Should be done by lunch
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:29 am to NoSaint
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i think it was a pretty fair question for someone insisting that the jury will convict based on her testimony alone.
A fair question, sure. Just not coming from Lester. No one has acted so matter of fact as much as he has in these threads.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:30 am to Keeble9145
So lESTER you think Hayes is legally not guilty. His Lawyer would of said he was acting in self defense if Will had a gun in his hand wouldn't you think.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:31 am to Keeble9145
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he shot Will first while he was going for the gun and then shot Raquel because she went for it after they could've both been a threat. Fact is we don't know what the hell happened lol.
So how was she shot outside the car, in the front, in both legs if she was going for the gun?
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:37 am to MightyYat
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Lester, no one has acted as smug about this case as you have over the past few weeks.
you have selective reading.
The rude, name callers posting opinions as truth= not smug
me, posting the facts presenting thus far, disproving people above= smug. Because it "isnt what you want to hear".
you're a dumbass
This post was edited on 4/21/16 at 10:39 am
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:38 am to tigerbytail
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So lESTER you think Hayes is legally not guilty
I dont know if he is or not.
Im surely not making up scenarios claiming that he is going to walk free.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:38 am to WhoDat37
A man with a gun in his hand turns his back on the other man who then shoots him in the back 7 times. That's not even logical.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:42 am to Lester Earl
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you have selective reading.
The rude, name callers posting opinions as truth= not smug
me, posting the facts presenting thus far, disproving people above= smug. Because it "isnt what you want to hear".
you're a dumbass
You're just speculating like everyone else at this point. You've posted shite from Hayes' defense attorney as fact and then totally dismissed everything the Smith family attorney said. Never mind that Fuller flat out lied about the 911 call.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:44 am to Lester Earl
Presenting the facts like when you added words to the lawyers comments
Aka ground
Aka ground
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