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re: No PI on Punt pass

Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:22 pm to
Posted by apfour21
New Orleans, LA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:22 pm to
Come on just think logically....

How would the gunner know the ball is in air and that it was passed? He is blocking as he is supposed to and not looking back at punt. Don't be stupid.
Posted by denvertiger
Golden
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:25 pm to
quote:

So what makes wide receiver not a gunner when he is lined up wide on 4th with the quarterback in shotgun?


The rules are sort of vague but equal number of players on either side of the center in "tight" formation and players being split out wide to either side. It being 4th down with Hill more than 7yds off the LOS probably had something to do with it as well but I'm not sure if it's not just situational. Whatever the case, once they line up symmetrically off the snapper on 4th down, the wide outs are considered gunners.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:28 pm to
Is it illegal to throw a pass to a “gunner”? Yes or no?
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
11430 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:29 pm to
WRONG.

By definition a punt formation is...

quote:

an equal number of players on either side of the snapper in a tight formation, and one player split out wide to either side)


Sounds pretty vague to me.
Posted by SaintNation
West Monroe
Member since Dec 2008
1952 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:30 pm to
Doesn’t matter, what we can or can’t believe is a obvious punt formation. It has to be defined. So please show where in the rule it is defined as what a punt formation is? You can’t because it’s not there. There is nothing that says you can’t have a QB so many yards behind the line of scrimmage.

I get why the rule is there but the rule is totally insane if you can’t tell me where it says what defined as a punt formation.

It’s a legitimate question.
Posted by denvertiger
Golden
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:34 pm to
It is not illegal to throw a ball to a gunner
Posted by denvertiger
Golden
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:37 pm to
quote:

So please show where in the rule it is defined as what a punt formation is? You can’t because it’s not there.


It's in the NFL rule book. Now, it does not address dept of person receiving the ball but that makes a little sense since some punts are taken less than 10-15 yards behind the LOS (in the endzone for instance). But the formation itself is explicitly defined by rule
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
11430 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:51 pm to
Please point to the rule book that says anything about a punt formation other than

quote:

an equal number of players on either side of the snapper in a tight formation, and one player split out wide to either side


There isn’t one.

The above definition sounds like the shotgun formation to me.
This post was edited on 12/8/19 at 8:55 pm
Posted by SaintNation
West Monroe
Member since Dec 2008
1952 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:52 pm to
No it is not defined in the “nfl rule book”.
This post was edited on 12/8/19 at 8:52 pm
Posted by SaintNation
West Monroe
Member since Dec 2008
1952 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:59 pm to
Everytime a QB is in a balanced formation with 2 WRs on each side then there can’t be PI, great to know for the rest of the year. It’s a bullshite rule.

And the fact that these idiots on here are defending the NFL and that rule is a joke in itself. Y’all keep siding with the NFL and paying y’all money to get screwed year in and year out. I’m sure they appreciate it.
This post was edited on 12/8/19 at 9:02 pm
Posted by denvertiger
Golden
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 9:04 pm to
LINK /

In this day and age, you really should be able to find this stuff yourself. You can download an actual pdf or simply search/find for punt formations.

quote:

Y’all keep siding with the NFL and paying y’all money to get screwed year in and year out. I’m sure they appreciate it.


The rule is the fricking rule. The only thing I'm defending is good old fashioned reading comprehension.
This post was edited on 12/8/19 at 9:06 pm
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 9:07 pm to
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This post was edited on 12/26/19 at 4:11 am
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
11430 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 9:09 pm to
Read for yourself. Nowhere in the rule book does it say ANYTHING MORE than
quote:

an equal number of players on either side of the snapper in a tight formation, and one player split out wide to either side


Posted by denvertiger
Golden
Member since Feb 2007
4248 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 9:12 pm to
quote:

Read for yourself. Nowhere in the rule book does it say ANYTHING MORE than


I did read it. Knowing that this is the actual rule, why not just put someone in the slot and throw to that player? You'd at least have the benefit of being a receiver.
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
11430 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 9:15 pm to
Then who is it in to decided what a punt formation is? If you have 2 wide with the qb in shotgun on 4th down is PI fair game?

The definition is vague.

Would it have been PI if Hill was 2 yards up? 5 yards up?
Posted by AFtigerFan
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2008
3555 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 9:23 pm to
quote:

Come on just think logically....

How would the gunner know the ball is in air and that it was passed? He is blocking as he is supposed to and not looking back at punt. Don't be stupid.
Serious question. Since this is the rule, can their be offensive pass inteference? Can our gunner just shove the defender away when the pass is in the air and catch it?
Posted by apfour21
New Orleans, LA
Member since Nov 2012
3143 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 9:28 pm to
I believe so
This post was edited on 12/8/19 at 9:29 pm
Posted by BDJ
Texas
Member since Jul 2016
2135 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 9:32 pm to
You’re one dumb frick.
When they put the punter back there , they were lined up in punt formation.

Absolute bag of fricking bricks.
Posted by BDJ
Texas
Member since Jul 2016
2135 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 9:32 pm to
Yes he can. You can’t allow PI there on either side. It would get utterly abused.
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
11430 posts
Posted on 12/8/19 at 9:34 pm to
quote:

You’re one dumb frick.
When they put the punter back there


Dumb frick.. You realize our QB was back there.
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