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re: NFL OT Rules

Posted on 12/28/09 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
24796 posts
Posted on 12/28/09 at 3:01 pm to
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If you look historically, the team that wins the toss wins more often.


Yeah they win about 51 % of the time.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 12/28/09 at 3:03 pm to
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Yeah they win about 51 % of the time.


wats the % now that kickoffs are further away from the endzone?
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 12/28/09 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

Yeah they win about 51 % of the time.


wats the % now that kickoffs are further away from the endzone?
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
24796 posts
Posted on 12/28/09 at 3:06 pm to
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wats the % now that kickoffs are further away from the endzone?


No clue but the Saints are 50 / 50 this year
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 12/28/09 at 3:16 pm to
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That's why I say just play an entire period,




I wonder what the reasoning is behind not just doing this


I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it was influenced by the TV networks.
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
24796 posts
Posted on 12/28/09 at 3:20 pm to
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I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it was influenced by the TV networks.


I would bet the players unions.
Posted by Bien Fou
Laffy
Member since Jul 2009
2039 posts
Posted on 12/28/09 at 3:31 pm to
Whats up with the three and four yard passes?
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 12/28/09 at 3:39 pm to
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I would bet the players union


If that were the case, then there should be NO overtime. If it's tied at the final gun, man up and deal with it.
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
24796 posts
Posted on 12/28/09 at 3:43 pm to
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If that were the case, then there should be NO overtime. If it's tied at the final gun, man up and deal with it.


Maybe the one 15 minute sudden death OT period was a compromise
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 12/28/09 at 3:53 pm to
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If that were the case, then there should be PAID overtime


FIFY
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 12/28/09 at 3:54 pm to
Sure it was, but television has more to do with it than the players. The networks, being run by a bunch of pussies, don't like seeing ties, and they don't want games to run too long, because then they'd have to get off their asses and do some actual programming modification, so they pushed the league into this bullshite known as sudden death.

People come up with bullshite answers like, "well, you should have done all the right things in regulation...", without realizing that maybe, just maybe, the teams were so evenly matched that they DID do the right thing.

There is nothing inherently wrong with a draw. One of the worst things that the NHL did was to eliminate draws and go to that bullshite shoot out format.

At the end of the day, NO overtime format is either perfect or embodies the true spirit of the game that it is supposed to finish, so they should, IMO, all be eliminated except in the case of a playoff game. And in that case, I would vote for playing as many periods as it takes until someone finishes with a lead. If it takes six more hours, so be it. Only have kickoffs at the start of odd numbered periods, too, alternating kicking and receiving teams based on the initial coin toss of the game. frick, if we're going to have overtime, do it for real, not with this bullshite.
Posted by Paul_LSU_passion
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2004
5469 posts
Posted on 12/28/09 at 4:07 pm to
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What sucks about it?

Because the fate of 1 of the 2 teams playing in the game rests on a freaking coin toss and the game is over on the first score period. Actually not only do I think it sucks but it's fricking stupid to end a game that way. It doesn't make sense for 2 teams that are tied up. The college format makes logical sense to give both teams a perfectly equal chance to win the game.

Again, I've hated the NFL method for the 30 something years I've watched it. And of course yesterday carried a little bit of my Saints bias into the argument but I've always said the NFL way is retarded.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58273 posts
Posted on 12/29/09 at 1:06 pm to
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Maybe the one 15 minute sudden death OT period was a compromise
Wont do it. the NFL wants to get the game over with ASAP. Im not sure of the exact stat but Cowherd had a discussion about this a few months ago and dug up that like 80% of teams that go into overtime lose their games the next week. And guessing it is because of fatigue.
Posted by oak71
Mesa, AZ
Member since Jun 2008
2580 posts
Posted on 12/29/09 at 1:33 pm to
I love sudden death. I know Saints offense never saw the field in OT on Sunday, but its still the best way to solve these conflicts. And it is very fair.
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 12/29/09 at 1:35 pm to
Not having an OT period is the most fair thing to do.

There is nothing wrong with a tie.
Posted by fruitcitycajun
Member since Oct 2009
15 posts
Posted on 12/30/09 at 8:39 pm to
I like this concept from josh336: you have to go the whole length of the field. But if you score, the opposition should get a chance to match it. And it should go back and forth that way.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18702 posts
Posted on 12/30/09 at 10:27 pm to
quote:

If you want to win then play defense and stop somebody.



But this shorts teams that have bad defenses. In a game with two evenly-matched teams in a shootout, the coin toss is going to determine the winner.

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So a fair system is to have both teams start at the 25 yard line? So if you throw 3 straight incomplete passes you are in field goal range. How is that fair in any way to a team with a strong defense?


How is it not fair? Both teams get an attempt to do the exact same thing! Sure, you could kick the 3 but field goals aren't really valuable in OT, they're the minimum a team should get...

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We can debate all day about ways to tweak the NFL rules so that more people are pleased with the system but do not even begin to call the College way good in any way. College rules are just plain dumb. Not to mention if a team picks the ball of and the guy is tackled at the 1 yard line you start on offense from the 25.


Why should they start at the 1 yard line? Why should one team's offense get the opportunity to be helped by their defense while the other doesn't? Both teams should get a chance to do the exact same thing, which is what college OT does.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18702 posts
Posted on 12/30/09 at 10:27 pm to
quote:

First 60 minutes of college = football

Overtime in college = baseball


That's true, but if you want to use this as an argument for NFL OT, why not have no coin toss and let the game continue with 0:00 on the clock until a team scores, leaving it to clock management skills? Why take away an existing possession from a team and give it to another?
Posted by Sheldogg23
Burbank
Member since Sep 2009
101 posts
Posted on 12/30/09 at 11:08 pm to
Pierre is fine. Shockey could play. The defense is ready to get the 1st team back on the field. Don't buy what the Saints are selling to the media. They're trying to win as-is...the mysterious play calls, etc. - do they really seem that disappointed to that they lost?

They really didn't have any drives in the 2nd half - run defense was weak, and this was no doubt a revamped Tampa team that ate up some clock - they've looked like a REAL team the past 3 weeks. Saints got up big quickly, and turned it offensively - like they hit a switch. It was obvious to all of us. When you turn it off, it's REALLY HARD to turn it back on, apparently.

Regardless, look at the offensive production when they "have" to score. While they ran out of time in the 2 minute drill, they were flying down the field. Look at the 2 of 3 final possessions in the Dallas game... This team scores at will when they have the time to do it. When Brees goes to GUYS as opposed to CHECKS, they look unstoppable.

I think it's all mindset, and let's hope that when the 2nd weekend in January rolls around, they tap into that college mentality of putting up 60 for "style" points. This weekend should be a nice barometer - don't wanna limp into the playoffs, and Carolina is playing good ball.
Posted by F machine
Member since Jun 2009
11886 posts
Posted on 12/30/09 at 11:15 pm to
quote:

If you want to win then play defense and stop somebody.



But this shorts teams that have bad defenses. In a game with two evenly-matched teams in a shootout, the coin toss is going to determine the winner.



alright

quote:

So a fair system is to have both teams start at the 25 yard line? So if you throw 3 straight incomplete passes you are in field goal range. How is that fair in any way to a team with a strong defense?



How is it not fair? Both teams get an attempt to do the exact same thing! Sure, you could kick the 3 but field goals aren't really valuable in OT, they're the minimum a team should get...


You contradict yourself. You are against the NFL way because it faults teams that have a bad defense, but are for the college way even though it can fault teams for having a good defense.
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