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re: My 2 cents regarding Derek Carr

Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:05 pm to
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
8006 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:05 pm to
Carr is better than Montana, Elway, Favre, Brees, Brady, P. Manning, and Mahomes combined.
Posted by whodat4ever
Indaboot
Member since Aug 2012
107 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:30 pm to
Agree, but chances could be better drafting higher.
Posted by whodat4ever
Indaboot
Member since Aug 2012
107 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:32 pm to
Yeah, Dalton is past his prime.
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
22486 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 9:56 pm to
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Yeah, Dalton is past his prime.


Really!?

Wow. Let me write that down. Good note.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
17620 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:00 pm to
I'd roll with Taysom. Get some salary off the books, hopefully a few good draft picks. If we don't make the playoffs next year, so be it. There will be alot of good QBs coming out of college next year. This team isn't going to buy and trade their way into winning. We salvaged the future a few years ago for Drew's last ride, there is going to have to be some pain to reset.
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32991 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 6:10 am to
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Agree, but chances could be better drafting higher.


Again, not really. All you do is tie your franchise to a QB for four to five years. Below are first round QBs with top 10 picks in bold.

Kenny Pickett
Trevor Lawrence
Zach Wilson
Trey Lance

Justin Fields
Mac Jones
Joe Burrow
Tua Tagovailoa
Justin Herbert

Jordan Love
Kyler Murray
Daniel Jones

Dwayne Haskins
Baker Mayfield
Sam Darnold
Josh Allen
Josh Rosen

Lamar Jackson
Mitchell Trubisky
Patrick Mahomes

Deshaun Watson
Jared Goff
Carson Wentz
Paxton Lynch
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota

Blake Bortles
Johnny Manziel
Teddy Bridgewater
EJ Manuel

In that same time period, here are QBs drafted in the 2nd or later rounds:

Derek Carr
Jimmy Garoppolo
Jacoby Brissett
Dak Prescott
Gardner Minshew
Drew Lock
Jalen Hurts
Davis Mills
Brock Purdy
Bailey Zappe

And if you want to go back further, guys like Russell Wilson, Andy Dalton & Drew Brees weren’t taken in the first. And guys like Ben Rothlesburger were the 11th pick.

Unless you want to be the Bengals, Browns or Jets who tank for 20 years to get Burrow, you’re just as likely to find a great QB at 10 (Mahomes), 11 (Rothlesburger), 12 (Watson), 32 (Lamar) or in a later round (Dak, Carr, Hurts). It’s more important to have a good team than just a top five pick.
Posted by HangmanPage1
Wild West
Member since Aug 2021
1405 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:33 am to
The greatest QB of any generation was picked in the 10th rd. Among the current top QBs, Mahomes was 10, Rodgers in the 20s, Hurts was in round 2. Of course you have your Burrows going 1st overall. Point is you can find your guy anywhere, look at Purdy. Build the team, build the team, build the team. Hire good coaches. If we get Carr, he’s a good QB, let’s build around him.
Posted by moock blackjack
Member since Apr 2008
97001 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:58 am to
Only hope Loomis is better at negotiating a reduced Carr salary cap hit then throwing away valuable draft choices!
Posted by whodat4ever
Indaboot
Member since Aug 2012
107 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 10:28 am to
I'm good with that scenario also.
Posted by airbornetiger
SATX
Member since Sep 2006
1416 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 12:49 pm to
Mildly interesting…it’s not solely about a QB in the top 10–if that was the case, don’t we have one currently???

We had that—1 SB. Grateful but only one.

Green Bay has had like 30 consecutive years of HOF QB play with 2 SB wins

This team is not horrible, more middle—upper middle of the pack. Though you are what your record says you are, the Saints are better than 7 wins. There were at least 4 losses that were more a result of bad luck and injury than lack of talent and ability.

With all this said, the path forward will likely see the saints rebuilding this team from the defensive side, rather than with an elite QB and top tier offense.
Posted by whodat4ever
Indaboot
Member since Aug 2012
107 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 5:59 pm to
I agree with bad luck and injuries...but you forgot bad coaching. Also, unless we make a playoff run this year, I would imagine we go with a different coach next year.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4323 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:30 pm to
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We had 15 years with a hall of fame QB and great coach to try and pile up rings.. we won one, screwed out of a chance at another, and gut-wrenchingly blew at least one more chance. The window is closed. The final nail was whiffing on Davenport and Turner


Man. From my brain to your keyboard. Agree with all that.
Posted by airbornetiger
SATX
Member since Sep 2006
1416 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:19 pm to
I don’t disagree on moving on from DA if this next season doesn’t result in making the playoffs—and 8-9 playoff of team isn’t the answer. Hopefully, regardless of who’s coaching, we will be in a better position with the cap to build a younger foundation.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:59 pm to
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Not happening


Eagles literally have a top 10 pick from the Saints this year.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:02 pm to
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My 2 cents regarding your take: Only losers cheer for their team to intentionally lose


Only morons would rather watch a mediocre team year after year rather than just bottom out and rebuild. Most smart people understand being in the middle every year is a terrible place to be.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:11 pm to
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What makes you think any QBs that will be in next year‘s are draft generational QBs? I don’t see any


Then you must not be paying attention. Caleb Williams is that next guy in the mold of Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:30 pm to
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He wasn’t until he went to LSU and got a chance to prove it, will a Joe Burrow type emerge next season in college? No one knows but I do know the best rated QBs starting the year off in college football next season I would not consider them generational types. Better example would be Josh Allen not Burrow since Joe had probably the most prolific season ever as a starting qb in college history based on the level of competition and Josh came from a lesser school and blossomed in the pros.


I feel like you are just talking about shite that you actually know nothing about. Burrow wasn’t a big time recruit. Even after his season at LSU, there were questions about his arm strength and overall physical abilities. He might not have even gone number 1 if Tua was healthy.

Josh Allen was a project from a small school with poor accuracy, big arm, size and athleticism. How is he more comparable to Caleb Williams and Drake Maye? They aren’t small school projects. Those are the type of guys teams tank to draft.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:54 pm to
Man some of y’all straight talking out ya asses. I believe in drafting qb’s every year until you hit on one. Yes it’s possible to hit on good qb after first round. But, statistically, the best qb’s are found in round 1.

It’s easy to cherry pick the good qb’s found in later rounds, but you aren’t naming all the misses cause it’s impossible. There are too many. Y’all take Brock Purdy, I’ll take Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lawrence, etc.
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32991 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 4:04 pm to
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Only morons would rather watch a mediocre team year after year rather than just bottom out and rebuild. Most smart people understand being in the middle every year is a terrible place to be.


You don’t have to bottom out and bottoming out doesn’t work. This isn’t the NBA where one player can make you a contender for 15 years. Bad NFL teams are bad because they don’t try to win. Lions, Browns, Jets, Jaguars, etc. they stay bad because they are bad. Philly, Rams, Saints, San Fran, Green Bay, New England may have a bad year or two but always try to get better.

Posted by stopitnow1
Florida
Member since Mar 2013
1280 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:00 pm to
We aren't tanking so your 2 cents doesn't make sense.
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