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re: Mike Freeman: it's believed a handful of teams are preparing offers for Graham.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:34 pm to Rand AlThor
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:34 pm to Rand AlThor
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If a team wants to take him for two firsts, and he accepts the deal (and we don't match it), that's it... Right?
Yea, that's it. But it usually doesn't go that easily. The other team has more leverage knowing that the Saints are going to have trouble paying him, and that they want to at least get something for him.
Therefore I would think that would be best case scenario for the Saints. They slapped him with the non exclusive, so they know what they are in for.
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:39 pm to Patrick O Rly
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"I think the only players more valuable than Jimmy Graham are three or four quarterbacks," said one AFC general manager. "That's it."
This is certainly true in FFL. Not sure it translates to real life though
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:42 pm to MiledV-TEC
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Wouldn't be surprised if the team leading this charge is somehow... Atlanta.
If it means we get two of their #1s and they further tie up cap money so they have even less of an O-line than last year, then o.k.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:45 pm to Lester Earl
So he didn't make sproles look good? Do you think Colston would be the receiver he is today without Brees being his QB for his career?
Do you think Lance Moore would be a legitimate option on any other team besides maybe the Patriots?
Do you think Lance Moore would be a legitimate option on any other team besides maybe the Patriots?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:47 pm to SouthMSReb
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Do you think Colston would be the receiver he is today without Brees being his QB for his career? Do you think Lance Moore would be a legitimate option on any other team besides maybe the Patriots?
shite, the Charges released Meach cause he was "broken" and Bress made him look good too.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:48 pm to TigerBait1127
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Didn't happen last season
While I agree, what I was trying to say is, Brees makes his PRIMARY targets look good. He made Colston look good when he was his go-to. He makes Graham look good (even though I'm sure it's easy). Brees will always get his yards regardless of receiver.
Care to comment on the following:
"Who knows how Graham is going to perform once he gets paid. Would he have let the PF cause him to sit out games if he wasn't in a contract year last year?"
Do you think it's worth risking all that cash on a player with a nagging injury who want have money as an incentive to play for?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:49 pm to SouthMSReb
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So he didn't make sproles look good? Do you think Colston would be the receiver he is today without Brees being his QB for his career?
Do you think Lance Moore would be a legitimate option on any other team besides maybe the Patriots?
Sure he has.
But not last year. All those guys looked old.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:51 pm to Lester Earl
So why not restock with Draft picks?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:52 pm to SouthMSReb
We can do that anyway with our normal picks and hold on to Graham, which we already know is a sure thing.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:53 pm to SouthMSReb
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who want have money as an incentive to play for?
That's every player in the NFL.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:55 pm to THRILLHO
What? Not at all.
Players in their first 4 years are playing for a payday at the end of their rookie contract.
Players in their first 4 years are playing for a payday at the end of their rookie contract.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:56 pm to SouthMSReb
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"Who knows how Graham is going to perform once he gets paid. Would he have let the PF cause him to sit out games if he wasn't in a contract year last year?"
Do you think it's worth risking all that cash on a player with a nagging injury who want have money as an incentive to play for?
He played the previous season needing wrist surgery all year...
Nothing but praise has been given by the coaching staff in regard to his work ethic and drive
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Do you think it's worth risking all that cash on a player with a nagging injury who want have money as an incentive to play for?
It isn't a nagging injury. If it hasn't torn already, they will tear it and he'll be back to normal. It's a pain tolerance injury and it is the most painful injury I've ever had
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:57 pm to Lester Earl
Pay Byrd 9 million vs Graham at 12 million, if it comes to that.
Keep your options open.
Keep your options open.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:00 pm to THRILLHO
One really bad scenario that isn't being talked about is Indianapolis making an offer to Graham. They have loads of cap space and no first round pick this year, and I'm 99% sure that means they would simply have to give up their 2015/16 picks (the CBA is really vague on the situation). Would be a total Irsay move and I could see him drunkenly laughing about it on twitter.
But I don't necessarily see the Saints taking less than two first rounders, especially the TE designation holds, making him relatively cheap for the next two years. Graham could force the issue by threatening to hold out until week 10, though, which would still allow him to be credited with a full year's participation at the expense of about $4m.
But I don't necessarily see the Saints taking less than two first rounders, especially the TE designation holds, making him relatively cheap for the next two years. Graham could force the issue by threatening to hold out until week 10, though, which would still allow him to be credited with a full year's participation at the expense of about $4m.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:01 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:I did say if any team is stupid and desperate enough to do it it would be the Jags or Raiders and I'd be ecstatic.
"I think the only players more valuable than Jimmy Graham are three or four quarterbacks," said one AFC general manager. "That's it."
But this sounds like a bit of rumor mongering to get the Saints to up his price, or these deals are just going to be in the range the Saints are already offering.
We'll know soon enough.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:04 pm to THRILLHO
that truly is a worst case scenario or a team that is fringe/playoff caliber (gb, seattle, arizona, etc.)
We all want a team like jax, oak, buffalo to give up 2 1st rounders to get a playmaker. That would give us a strong shot at getting the #1 receiver in the draft.
If watkins could come in, be a #1 WR in our offense, and produce similar to AJ green or julio jones' first year production (1057 yards 7td; 959 yards 8tds) I'd say that would be a win.
We all want a team like jax, oak, buffalo to give up 2 1st rounders to get a playmaker. That would give us a strong shot at getting the #1 receiver in the draft.
If watkins could come in, be a #1 WR in our offense, and produce similar to AJ green or julio jones' first year production (1057 yards 7td; 959 yards 8tds) I'd say that would be a win.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:05 pm to Sophandros
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Pay Byrd 9 million vs Graham at 12 million, if it comes to that.
Keep your options open.
Graham is a top 15 player in the NFL, I'd like to keep the guy here.
If we get two first round picks for him, you have to take that. However, even with picks, you never know how they will turn out. Graham is a sure thing in this offense, and one of the best offensive weapons in the NFL. You do all you can to keep those you know will produce a high level.
Let's say we get picks for Graham and they turn out to be busts, then what? You lose the best offensive weapon in the teams history for bums you thought were going to be studs. I'd prefer playing it safe. This is a very good team, and a lot of that has to do with continuity. I'd like to keep that going and add around them. Using the picks with a possibility of landing new talent and depth to what is already a good team, instead of getting rid of one of the main pieces for potential.
Draft:
WR
CB
G/C tweener
S
LB
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:05 pm to bonethug0108
stop fighting and believing it is rumors with your essay responses! BELIEVE it is oak/jax! 
according to nfl players, he's not even top 100
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Graham is a top 15 player in the NFL, I'd like to keep the guy here.
according to nfl players, he's not even top 100
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:06 pm to TigerBait1127
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It isn't a nagging injury. If it hasn't torn already, they will tear it and he'll be back to normal. It's a pain tolerance injury and it is the most painful injury I've ever had
Right, and my question is: will he be willing to play through that pain when he doesn't have a payday as an incentive to play? There are a lot of players who "pack it in" after they've gotten their money.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:09 pm to htran90
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according to nfl players, he's not even top 100
Which is ridiculous.
The year before that he was ranked in the top 15 according to players. He only led the league in TD receptions this season. I assure you he will be in the top 20 for this years, although that list is always a joke.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 1:10 pm
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