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Mickey Loomis one of the NFL’s best general managers

Posted on 7/20/22 at 7:05 am
Posted by GMoney2600
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When an NFL team finds continued success with an elite quarterback, the question inevitably is: how much of this success was from the quarterback, and how much was from the head coach? Similarly, when a team plays well generally, the credit is hard to split between the head coach and the general manager.

For the first time since 2005, the New Orleans Saints will not have the duo of general manager Mickey Loomis and head coach Sean Payton leading the franchise. While Payton was undoubtedly one of the best coaches in the NFL, Mickey Loomis rarely received all of the credit he deserved. Now, outside of Sean Payton’s shadow (so to speak), Loomis can truly shine.

So when NBC recently ranked all 32 NFL general managers, it was pleasantly surprising to see Mickey Loomis make the Top 10:

7. Mickey Loomis, Saints

January 26 was the first day of the rest of Mickey Loomis’ executive life. It marked the first time since 2005 that he was operating without Sean Payton. Loomis predated Payton in New Orleans by four years, producing a trio of .500 seasons before one 3-13 bottom out. Payton and Drew Brees quickly picked up the pieces and turned them into an NFC Championship Game appearance. The turnaround might not be quite so rapid this time around, though neither is the hole that deep. Jameis Winston is back. So, too, is Michael Thomas. For what the Saints are losing on offense in Payton, they are keeping on defense in new head coach Dennis Allen. This remains a star-laden group in a soft division. How long that will remain the case as Brees and Payton recede farther into the distance is the question. We know where Payton ended. It is time to find out where Loomis begins.


Elsewhere in the NFC South, Jason Licht of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers came one spot ahead of Loomis and the Saints at 6th overall. Former Saints assistant general manager Terry Fontenot, the current general manager of the Atlanta Falcons, found himself 24th overall in NBC’s rankings. Scott Fitterer of the Panthers came one spot after that, 25th overall.

Licht gets a ton of credit for helping facilitate Tom Brady joining the Buccaneers a couple of seasons ago, but it’s nice to finally see Loomis start to consistently get the credit he deserves for constructing a very talented Saints roster.

Link to the 2022 General Managers article... LINK
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 8:53 am to
Did lester vote twice?
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:05 am to
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Elsewhere in the NFC South, Jason Licht of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers came one spot ahead of Loomis and the Saints at 6th overall. Former Saints assistant general manager Terry Fontenot, the current general manager of the Atlanta Falcons, found himself 24th overall in NBC’s rankings. Scott Fitterer of the Panthers came one spot after that, 25th overall.

Probably too high for Licht. Brady basically sold himself to TB and then decided to not retire; they are giving Licht too much credit for that. I'd also give Brady the credit for building that team around him, not Licht.

Fitterer is basically right where he belongs, 3 spots from the bottom (ahead of Jags & Wash) because it's too early to judge the 5 new GMs.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:40 am to
* jeff Ireland
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:54 am to
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* jeff Ireland


Won how many playoff games in 6 years at Miami*
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:56 am to
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Mickey Loomis one of the NFL’s best general managers


Nope
Posted by GMoney2600
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:08 am to
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* jeff Ireland



As far as talent evaluation goes.

I think Loomis has the master plan behind everything now that CSP is gone. I really think Loomis has learned a lot over the past few years. He's not the same bean counting GM that he used to be.

Still, I wouldn't trust Loomis as far as talent evaluation goes. He needs Ireland & the scouts for that imo.

Loomis & Khai Harley handle the money aspect.

As far as front office decisions...I think Loomis, Ireland, Dennis Allen, & Khai Harley are probably the main 4.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 10:16 am
Posted by mdomingue
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:25 am to
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Mickey Loomis one of the NFL’s best general managers



Nope




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SportsGuyNOLA


Color me shocked that this is your take.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:29 am to
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think Loomis has the master plan behind everything now that CSP is gone. I


Idk the coaching search was kinda trash
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Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:34 am to
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Idk the coaching search was kinda trash


who else should we have looked at?
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:38 am to
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who else should we have looked at?


Kevin O'Connell.

Should have made an earlier push for Brian Daboll.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
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Should have made an earlier push for Brian Daboll.

Was he really a possibility? Didn't he take the NYG job 1-2 days after Payton stepped down?
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 12:03 pm to
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Should have made an earlier push for Brian Daboll.


Team is geared to win now. Why start with a new coach and a new DC? Doubtful we get some of the FA players that wanted to come here and win right away.

Makes zero sense.
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 1:42 pm to
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Why


lots of offensive minded coaches taking their teams deep into playoffs. that's essentially what it boils down to. hiring the highest offensive upside guy you can.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 1:50 pm to
We will see who wins more games the next 3 years. My money is on Allen.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 1:54 pm to
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who else should we have looked at?


An offensive coach

Then Carmichael backed in a job he reportedly never even wanted.
Posted by Chad504boy
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We will see who wins more games the next 3 years. My money is on Allen.



what does this prove? the point is what another coach could have done with our roster, not the giants' roster.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:17 pm to
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the point is what another coach could have done with our roster


We will never ever know that is the point. No one including yourself will ever be wrong because it never happened.

If that is what you live for that is fine.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:20 pm to
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We will never ever know that is the point. No one including yourself will ever be wrong because it never happened.

If that is what you live for that is fine.



its not what i live for. its called an adult conversation about comparing coaches' performances like you wanted to do.
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