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re: Lowering Helmet Rule Passes Wow

Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:46 pm to
Posted by Alatgr
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:46 pm to
That's pretty much Ivory's only way of making contact.
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:48 pm to
Another rule that makes the NFL a step closer to being flag football and makes it purely a passing league. Yippie.
Posted by CocoLoco
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:58 pm to
After hearing the description it's really not THAT bad
Posted by SaintLSUnAtl
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:59 pm to
So what happens when a tackler is about to get a sack and the qb drops his head and gets drilled thru no fault of the defensive player?

I remember last year I think Tez Wilson was about to sack Vick and Vick dropped his head into the tackle ad Tez got 15 yards. It was bs. I've seen that happens quite a few times
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:03 pm to
Haha to me it is. A RB can't lower his head to run over someone standing in front of him in open field? Forcing him to shake. Just like flag football. You are taught at a young age to put your head down and run somebody over. Now you can't do it and have to shake instead of running someone over. Flag football.
Posted by CocoLoco
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:10 pm to
No you aren't. I was yelled at as a kid to pick my head up and hit with the front of my helmet and shoulders. This prevents a broken neck. You can deliver a more punishing blow hitting squared up with your head up anyway. I also went to a school with a dominant football program, so I guess it worked out just fine.

If they call it as jolting into an opponent with the very top of the helmet, as described, I'm fine with that. It just can't turn into a debate as to if it wasnt or not. Very top of helmet only.
Posted by Lafayette VooDoo
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Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:10 pm to
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Going to be impossible to officiate


This. There are a lot of rules in the books that aren't bad (roughing the passer for one) but are officiated horrendously. I just saw the video on NFL.com, and the explanation sounds more than reasonable - however, the competency of the officials will be what makes or breaks this rule.

Rule Explained
Posted by CocoLoco
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:14 pm to
That's the only thing, I just worry about how it'll be officiated.
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:14 pm to
I'm not saying lowering your head to where your hitting them with the top of your helmet or crown. I m talking about running behind your pads. It's just like a defender leading with a helmet. RBs do the same thing because he's hard to tackle that. Congrats for going to a school with a dominant program. Not sure why that's relevant. . But congrats.

And I agree I'm not sure how they will decide when to throw the flag or not.
This post was edited on 3/20/13 at 1:18 pm
Posted by Ryan3232
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:18 pm to
Going all the way back to middle school football days, coaches teach RB's to run lower than the defense. Yes they teach you not to have your head down. This rule change is dumb
Posted by thedogman
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:18 pm to
Posted by CocoLoco
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:18 pm to
I'm just saying I had to hear from coaches all the time "pick your head up, you'll break your neck" and it was guys that did a great job developing undersized, moderately athletic white kids.

The rule as explained doesn't bother me; you can lead with pads, but keep your head up. It'll be officiating this correctly that will piss a lot of people off. That's what will be hard to do. It should have to be obvious for the call; and that's the only way a flag should be thrown.
Posted by WarmBubble
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:19 pm to
I understand lowering the helmet can result in head/neck injuries on DEFENSE, but anybody that has played football can agree that this rule is absurd. I'd like to see anyone run through a gauntlet of tires (which we did repeatedly in high school) with their head up. It's almost impossible to do without lowering your helmet. In fact, running with your head up would only cause you to instinctively slow down to protect your neck from hyper-extending. Now imagine a running back running into 300 pound linemen on 3rd and goal with their head up. It won't be pretty.
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:21 pm to
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The rule as explained doesn't bother me; you can lead with pads, but keep your head up.


Explain to me how you can exactly lead with your pads, but keep your head up??
Posted by OldSouth
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:22 pm to
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I'm just saying I had to hear from coaches all the time "pick your head up, you'll break your neck" and it was guys that did a great job developing undersized, moderately athletic white kids.


Who played DEFENSE. It's just human nature to put your head down when your about to get hit, and it's human nature for a reason. Offensive players are taught to lower their heads, otherwise you'll be getting cracked ribs instead of a scratched helmet.
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:30 pm to
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that bad ole federal government. How dare they attempt to protect consumers and the general public.


"Hello, I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
Posted by CocoLoco
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:45 pm to
They wouldn't call that. It's a jolting of the head using it as a weapon. I've said multiple times that the officiating is what will make it much worse. It should only be called if the running back is trying to knock the shite out of a guy by lowering his head.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:47 pm to
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and since the defender can't launch himself into the ball carrier, this kind of levels the play field now.



So, you think there was a rule that put defenders at a disadvantage in the open field...and this addresses that?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:51 pm to
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Exactly.

But it seems that you and I are being the only rational ones here.






Yeah, there have been no problems with the implementation of the "defenseless receiver" rule.

This will open up the same problems. And, it materially affects the game. In all practicality, RBs never lower their helmets in an attempt to injure. They lower their helmets as an instinct to either protect themselves or to attempt to break a tackle. It will ABSOLUTELY negatively affect the enjoyment of watching the NFL product if they officials start calling this as frequently as they call the defenseless receiver penalty.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:51 pm to
It has nothing to do with a defender being at a disadvantage. It's protecting the runner, and the guy he'd be in a head collision with.


The rule itself isn't what is dumb; it's how hard it'll be to officiate. It's not worth it.
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