re: LA's Lovefest with the Mannings

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Idolizing a guy who led your team to a winning percentage of less than 27% is comical. He sucked as QB for most of his stay in NO. Teams follow leaders,he was no leader.

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Really silly statements. Just for grins, I'll ask you a question. Do you believe that a quarterback's "leadership" can overcome an inept defense? I don't mean inspire a defense with a little less talent the opposition. I mean a really bad defense with little or no talent.

bac in the day if archie is with any other team he wins he never had any thing to work with bac in the day sounds like alot of jealous people because he's pulling for his son :beatdeadhorse: :asskisser: :asskisser:

When Archie made it public that he didn't want his son playing in New Orleans, I cut all ties. Instead of a Manning turning us around, Brees did it and I'm quite content with that now.

Remember the great Archie manipulated the NFL Draft cause he did not want his last one to go to San Diego.

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Remember the great Archie manipulated the NFL Draft

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Which is unconstitutional collusion anyway. Would you like being told where you can work?

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cause he did not want his last one to go to San Diego.

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He wanted to get the best deal possible for his son

frick THAT WORTHLESS PIECE OF shite

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Which is unconstitutional collusion anyway.

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Its not unconstitutional, the Constitution lays out the powers of the Federal Government and the Bill of Rights is a set of negative rights ie things the Federal, State and Local government can not take away from the people. The NFL is not the government, there fore what id does can not be unconstitutional. For example the NFL telling coaches pr players they can not criticize officials, they are not violating freedom of speech.

Now it is possible the draft is illegal in that it violates federal anti-trust laws, but that is very different from being unconstitutional.

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Would you like being told where you can work?

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As long as it not the government. You don't have a right to a job, let alone where you want it. If your company moves to San Diego they are not violating your rights if they tell you that is where you job is.

That said, I have no problem with what Archie/Eli did.

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dolizing a guy who led your team to a winning percentage of less than 27% is comical. He sucked as QB for most of his stay in NO

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These statements show you have no idea what you are talking about. It is clear you were born well after Archie Manning's playing days in New Orleans where long over and you are now applying modern standards retroactively. The NFL was very different in the 1970's. It was a total oligarchy. There was no free agency no parity. While they had the draft, the information available was very limited. Today we have accurate info and film on HS juniors a couple of mouse clicks away, back then they did not have much info on college players at all. There were no Mel Kipers, no mock drafts, no cable TV and college teams could only be on TV once or twice a year and that's it. The teams that figured out how to evaluate players first, like Pittsburgh and Dallas dominated. The Saints front office was basically clueless.

When they did get some offensive talent around Archie (Wes Chanlder, a freaking bad arse WR, Chuck Muncie, Tony Galbreath, TE Henry Childs, he was one of the top 5 QB's in the league. Now for someone like yourself that does not understand rules and offense were very different then might look at the stats and say he sucked. And compared to the numbers QB put up today that do look bad. Wht you don't understand is they have changed the rules over the years to open up the passing game. Also offenses have gotten better and more QB oriented. Back then they really didn't throw the short passes like they do now, the WCO had not taken hold, if you look at the WR avg/rec you'll see, they basically threw deep or ran the ball. The NFL leader in ypr this year was Mike Wallace of Pitt at 19.4, in 1978 19.4 was 11th.

In any event for the first 15 years of the franchise, Archie was all we had, that the team has FINALLY gotten better is no need to stop liking a guy we liked as kids. If you can't accept that, GFY you bandwagon loser.

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George Jetson wants to work for Cogswell Cogs, who want to hire him -- but is told he can't, he MUST go work for Spacely Sprockets.
How is that constitutional?

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What part of the Constitution is being violated? It might be illegal, but that is different than being unconstitutional, assuming of course its not the gov't telling George where he has to work. The Constitution lays out the powers of the Federal government. The Bill of Rights is between us, the citizens and the government, not between citizens.

Look at it this way, if you write and book and some one wants to publish and the government stops them, both your and the publishing companies rights have been violated. If the publish but no book store wants to sell it, or if you right it and no one wants to publish, no one's rights have been violated.

The NFL owners have rights too. If they feel its better for their overall business to have a draft to spread out the talent better, I think they should have that right. The players are free to try and work around that, as Eli Manning, John Elway, Bo Jackson and others have done (Steve Francis did it in the NBA). If they can get what they want, more power to them.

I saw Archie get his arse waxed 61-17 one night in Baton Rouge. A fine night it was, I think 1970.

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You write a book and Random House wants to publish it. But you are told you must let Simon and Schuster publish it. That's what the NFL draft is.

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If RH wants to publish my book, but I'm told S&S has exclusive rights to it, they would more than likely have an agreement beforehand to pick who gets what writers. That would be ILLEGAL, but not unconstitutional. I'm going to guess it would violate some anti-trust or anti-collusion laws. Feel free to point to the part of the Constitution you think is being violated.

The NFL is not telling players where they have to work. They are only telling them where they have to work if they want to play in the NFL. Its not really any different than when my dad was told by Amoco that if he wanted to still work for them, he would have to move from New Orleans to Houston. That there are not other places where the ability to throw a football accurately and far is paid as well as the NFL is not the NFL's problem. You do not have a right to work where you want if the company you want to work for doesn't want you there.

Sports leagues are not really comparable to other businesses in this way. RH and S&S do not need each other to publish books and have successful businesses. The Super Bowl would be pretty boring if it was Saints against Saints.