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re: Larry Holder Final Mock Draft
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:56 pm to WicKed WayZ
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:56 pm to WicKed WayZ
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With Holder’s mock, we’d have the deepest roster in the league,
Which gives even less of a reason to mortgage the future. There’s only so many spots a rookie can contribute.
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I don’t think 2021 first round pick is going to be nearly as important as the 2022 first round pick.
They are all important, man,
2024 comes & its “damn, I wish we would have had that pick”.
Or you have to pay multiple players in the same year, losing that natural stagger
Or even year to year, a teams needs change
It’s easy to get caught up in the moment. But you have to find the balance between competing now & playing for the future, & that ain’t it
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:57 pm to jralspanky
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Bengals aren't trading #33 pick for Saints 2021 #1
They might not but there is enough upside in the trade for them that they very well could. They are not in win now mode so why not pick up a 1st for next year. However they do need offensive line to protect Burrow now. If they don’t take it then I think the redskins would jump on it with the very next pick.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 1:19 pm to WicKed WayZ
Not a fan of trading our first round pick
Posted on 4/21/20 at 1:30 pm to Lester Earl
A guy like Gladney absolutely would be a contributor. You’re acting like we’d be drafting an absolute scrub. Hell he might be a starter this year and be a starter for a good number of years. I don’t see how that’s mortgaging the future. You got a for sure starter for years with that first round pick in a position we’ve had significant trouble filling for years
Regardless of whether they use a first or second round pick, we know they’re going to trade up at some point considering the number of really good players that will be available in the second round that will probably contribute right away but potentially be foundational pieces in the future
Regardless of whether they use a first or second round pick, we know they’re going to trade up at some point considering the number of really good players that will be available in the second round that will probably contribute right away but potentially be foundational pieces in the future
Posted on 4/21/20 at 1:46 pm to Lester Earl
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Which gives even less of a reason to mortgage the future. There’s only so many spots a rookie can contribute.
You are not mortgaging the future. You are trading a pick for a pick. It comes down to if they feel that Gladney is a player that they would want near the end of the first round. If the answer is yes and they feel that the value is good then you pull the trigger. This is also a really deep draft so there will be a lot of really good talent in the early second. You don’t know if the same can be said for next year.
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Or you have to pay multiple players in the same year, losing that natural stagger
Since we don’t have a second it kind of fills that gap. We will have a lot of picks for next year whether we have a first or not. It is not like a two firsts scenario with Ram and Latt. Our first round from this year will have a 5th year option. The 2nd rounder would have to be paid after 4years so they are not coming up at the same time. There was no first round picks made by us last year so there is not 5th year option for that year to fall on top of the second. Easton and CGJ would get paid the year before our second rounder for this year was due to sign. You are still following a natural stagger.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 4/21/20 at 2:18 pm to WicKed WayZ
Gladney would no doubt help us in 2020. Maybe not as much as some other guys, but some of the takes I'm seeing here on him are lunacy. He can really play
Posted on 4/21/20 at 2:27 pm to BenDover78
What takes are lunacy? Trade down scenarios are dumb in general, there are so many moving parts. Especially when you’re talking about specific players
If the second rd is so loaded, it would make more sense to use 1.24 to move down. You can get the same caliber player at 24 all the way down to ~50. And still pick up an extra pick in a draft that’s strong in the middle rounds
If the second rd is so loaded, it would make more sense to use 1.24 to move down. You can get the same caliber player at 24 all the way down to ~50. And still pick up an extra pick in a draft that’s strong in the middle rounds
Posted on 4/21/20 at 2:31 pm to GynoSandberg
I agree but its not in the current DNA of this FO to move down.
Since 2011 only one FO in the entire league has not moved down once, and has moved up 10 times at that. The Saints.
They just have been aggressive in moving up for a decade now.
Since 2011 only one FO in the entire league has not moved down once, and has moved up 10 times at that. The Saints.
They just have been aggressive in moving up for a decade now.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 2:49 pm to Fun Bunch
The one constant in all those years being you knew your franchise QB was returning. After this year, we could have a lot of holes to fill. You have guys who will get big money. Guys who can step up will be important
After ‘20, Drew could be gone. Warford, Cook, Demario Davis, Rankins, Taysom, Kamara, Marcus William, Anzalone. That’s 4 of your biggest cap esters potentially gone
After ‘21, Armstead, Manny Sanders, Lat, Ram, possibly Dav
I don’t really buy that there are “trends” in the draft process anyway. You cant say it’s so unpredictable in one breath than say the saints never trade down or they love guys from X school or X position. There is no rhyme or reason to it
After ‘20, Drew could be gone. Warford, Cook, Demario Davis, Rankins, Taysom, Kamara, Marcus William, Anzalone. That’s 4 of your biggest cap esters potentially gone
After ‘21, Armstead, Manny Sanders, Lat, Ram, possibly Dav
I don’t really buy that there are “trends” in the draft process anyway. You cant say it’s so unpredictable in one breath than say the saints never trade down or they love guys from X school or X position. There is no rhyme or reason to it
Posted on 4/21/20 at 2:49 pm to GynoSandberg
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If the second rd is so loaded, it would make more sense to use 1.24 to move down. You can get the same caliber player at 24 all the way down to ~50. And still pick up an extra pick in a draft that’s strong in the middle rounds
I don’t know if I buy that the same caliber of players are available at 24 to 50. However I agree it is a deep draft with a lot of great talent in the early second. The proposed trade gives you two picks in the top 40. You are likely not getting that in a trade down scenario.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 2:52 pm to WicKed WayZ
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24. Patrick Queen, LB LSU
*Trades 2021 first round pick to Bengals for 33 and 180
33. Jeff Gladney, CB TCU
88. Devin Duvernay, WR Texas
130. Antonio Gibson, RB Memphis
169. Nick Harris, C Washington
180. Anthony Gordon, QB Wash State
203. Jonah Williams, DE Weber State
That’s actually not a bad draft.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 2:56 pm to Godfather1
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That’s actually not a bad draft.
i would fricking hope its not bad considering we used next years first.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 3:11 pm to Godfather1
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After ‘20, Drew could be gone. Warford, Cook, Demario Davis, Rankins, Taysom, Kamara, Marcus William, Anzalone. That’s 4 of your biggest cap esters potentially gone
After ‘21, Armstead, Manny Sanders, Lat, Ram, possibly Dav
Let’s just say the draft pans out just like Larry has it. You already have a replacement linebacker (Patrick Queen), a replacement cornerback for Jenkins or even Latt if we don’t sign him (Gladney), Sanders replacement (duvernay), kamara’s replacement (Gibson).
We have nick Easton to replace warford. He is serviceable. If Nick Harris works out then McCoy can kick out to guard. No way Ram walks.
We will probably resign Davis. Anzalone should be cheap. we have Queen.
Cook- TE is a luxury not worried about it
Rankins probably walks. We are deep and I think onyemata breaks out this year.
Marcus Williams- still have two good safeties (Jenkins and CGJ/ They like Hampton too)
Probably sign Taysom. Regardless I don’t think love is the answer. Will take time to find the right guy.
Armstead’s replacement is probably your biggest need besides qb and you still have time and picks before you need to. Maybe peat improves enough to kick out.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 7:01 pm
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