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Kiper: How low could they go?
Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:53 pm
Goodness! Let him fall!!
"DE Anthony Barr, UCLA
Expectation: Middle of Round 1.
How low could he go? New Orleans at No. 27. I've dropped him a little on my board after spending more time on his tape, but he's still clearly a first-rounder for me. The ceiling and the instincts on defense are a question, but this is still a very good athlete who can rush the passer."
"DE Anthony Barr, UCLA
Expectation: Middle of Round 1.
How low could he go? New Orleans at No. 27. I've dropped him a little on my board after spending more time on his tape, but he's still clearly a first-rounder for me. The ceiling and the instincts on defense are a question, but this is still a very good athlete who can rush the passer."
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 10:12 pm to patendedgmf
don't want
Posted on 4/13/14 at 10:21 pm to patendedgmf
pass
Posted on 4/13/14 at 10:26 pm to patendedgmf
after last year with werner falling for no reason to fans
pass.
pass.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 10:27 pm to patendedgmf
Your name is a mess.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 10:27 pm to patendedgmf
"WEAKNESSES: Still developing as a run defender. Will be tested in coverage if working as a stand-up linebacker in a 3-4 scheme. Raw as a two-year player on the defensive side of the ball in coverage, and will need to pick up NFL schemes quickly to be more than a situational pass rusher as a rookie."
We could do a lot better than a one dimensional pass rusher in the first round. If he was good in either run defense or pass coverage also then maybe. I think they have other pass rush specialists that are further along than him that we could take at 27.
We could do a lot better than a one dimensional pass rusher in the first round. If he was good in either run defense or pass coverage also then maybe. I think they have other pass rush specialists that are further along than him that we could take at 27.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 10:31 pm to htran90
quote:Prime example of where the mistake taking a raw pass rush specialists who got by mostly on physical talent can lead you to.
werner
Way too boom or bust.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 11:18 pm to bonethug0108
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We could do a lot better than a one dimensional pass rusher in the first round. If he was good in either run defense or pass coverage also then maybe. I think they have other pass rush specialists that are further along than him that we could take at 27.
Like Ford/Shaizer?
Posted on 4/13/14 at 11:24 pm to LosLobos111
I'd prefer Shazier over Ford, but definitely both over Barr. They are much further along.
The question between the first two is would you rather a guy that can cover and occasionally blitz or a guy that rushes the passer more and may be able to occasionally cover.
The question between the first two is would you rather a guy that can cover and occasionally blitz or a guy that rushes the passer more and may be able to occasionally cover.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 11:24 pm to bonethug0108
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Prime example of where the mistake taking a raw pass rush specialists who got by mostly on physical talent can lead you to.
Way too boom or bust.
at comparing Barr and Werner based on physical talent. Someone is going to get an absolute freak heatseaking missile in Barr, and if he falls to us Ryan would sprint to the podium.
Just sucks no one here watched West Coast football. Barr is a flatout stud.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 11:46 pm to FootballNostradamus
I didn't mean to compare them side by side, just the rawness of them though Werner was more raw.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:00 am to bonethug0108
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I didn't mean to compare them side by side, just the rawness of them though Werner was more raw.
No offense, but are we talking about the same Bjoern Werner? Werner was one of the more pollished DEs, but he lacked elite speed/athleticism to be a stand-up 3/4 OLB and he lacked elite size/length to be a strongside 4/3 DE. He could dominate in college with pollished passrushing moves and a good motor, but once elite NFL tackles get their hands on him he's f'ed.
Barr is the exact opposite. He's an incredible athlete who is just now learning his position. He has the length and explosion to be one of the top defenders from this draft. He is a freak of nature and for some unknown reason people think he might be dropping. Look at the measureables, the guy is on par with Clowney in most measureables.
Anyone who thinks you pass on Anthony f'n Barr at 27 is batshit crazy.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:14 am to FootballNostradamus
Yeah, Barr is a guy you sprint to the podium for if he's there at 27.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:58 am to mm2316
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Yeah, Barr is a guy you sprint to the podium for if he's there at 27.
Yeah I don't know what these guys are talking about. The guy played defense for two years and dominated. Imagine what he could be under the tutelage of Rob Ryan. Even if all he could ever do is rush the passer, you don't pass on someone who looks like a double digit sack guy at 27.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:42 am to FootballNostradamus
All of what Nostradamus said.
Sure, Shazier and Ford might be further along at the moment. But Barr could reach a level higher than what those guys ever could due to his freakish athletic ability. And if they are further along than him, its not that much.
Sure, Shazier and Ford might be further along at the moment. But Barr could reach a level higher than what those guys ever could due to his freakish athletic ability. And if they are further along than him, its not that much.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:12 am to KG5989
Did you not see Shazier's combine and pro day numbers? Athleticism wise he is up there with Barr. Scheme wise, techniques, intangibles, and every other category he's miles past Barr. Also he has the speed and coverage ability to run with wideouts. If we are taking a LB and its not Mosley it better be Shazier
Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:39 am to Tiger_Pride64
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Did you not see Shazier's combine and pro day numbers? Athleticism wise he is up there with Barr. Scheme wise, techniques, intangibles, and every other category he's miles past Barr. Also he has the speed and coverage ability to run with wideouts. If we are taking a LB and its not Mosley it better be Shazier
Honestly tell me how many games of Shazier's you've watched. If you think Shazier is even in the same realm as Barr you should stop following football. I'll make any bet you can possibly come up with that Barr has a better career than Shazier.
All you have to do to learn about Shazier is go to youtube and type in "Clemson Orange Bowl Highlights". You will literally see Clemson targeting and exploiting Shazier. College teams aren't supposed to scheme into your first round pick, they should scheme away from him. Clemson made him look like a blind cripple.
In nearly every clip you will see him catching blocks 4-5 yards downfield and making tackles at the safety level. You'll see him mis-stepping nearly every play and borderline abandoning all semblance of gap integrity. You'll also see him getting run over by Sammy Watkins a couple of times. Yea, the same Sammy who is a fvcking WR.
Shazier doesn't play downhill. He doesn't attack blockers. He doesn't do anything better than Barr. It's laughable to suggest they are even remotely comparable. If you like Shazier, I promise you've never watched his game film.
Shazier is so bad.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 7:33 am to patendedgmf
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:05 am to FootballNostradamus
Getting block down field the whole game huh? I count one time when he was blocked by someone pulling which led to Boyds run. And a missed tackle on Watkins , but who wouldn't miss on the best wideout in the draft. Shazier was in on almost every play making big hits dude. Clemson obviously scheme this game to take Shazier out by sending a tackle or guard at him almost every play, but he still managed to get tackles. Also is playing at ILB in 4-2-5 . He's going to be on the edge in 3-4 which is where he is better suited. I know Ryan runs the 4-2-5 quite a bit , but Thats another advantage for Shazier. Barr is raw athleticism and he's going to have to develop. He very well could have a better career based on sacks , but all around better player Shazier has him beat
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