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Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:14 am to Mulat
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Time to let him go, he has already shown he does not have a world class game, a good game, above average game but when the chips are down he does not and will not have it.
damn, has anyone else had enough of this?
...I'm in favor of moving on from Graham if too expensive/to make the team better, but Graham is a top talent in the league...yes, he has a "world class game"
He had a bad game with a plantar fascia injury against one of the best pass defenses we've seen over recent years...he had a huge, extremely productive season...EVERYONE has bad games.
He dominated/was clutch in the playoffs against San Fran just one season ago
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 11:30 am
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:14 am to drake20
Am I supplemented by advertising contracts which pay more than my salary? And give me enough money to live comfortably the rest of my life? Will bettering my coworkers make us more than likely win a once in a lifetime prize every company strives for?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:15 am to goatmilker
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Dump his arse and find the Saints a TE that can get more than just 16 TD's a year!
When he starts scoring all those TD's against legit defenses and not against shitty teams at home, then I'll agree.
Dude is good, but looking at his stats last year against defenses that were above average, he wasn't a beast when it counted.
I want to keep him as much as the next guy, but if he's asking for an absorbent amount of money, I have no issue with seeing what the market will pay for him. No one person is more important than this team (with the exception of maybe Brees), otherwise we can find a replacement.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:16 am to BlackenedOut
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:16 am to Breesus
The solution to this Jimmy mess is to sign him for an average TE contract in NFL and then sign him as the 12th man on the Pelicans with guaranteed money for the rest of the sum it would take.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:18 am to drake20
He led the NFL in touchdowns by 4 from the TE position while playing injured and people don't think he's elite? We should be begging teams to treat him like Seattle and the patriots did. The problem is that we had crap wr for the majority of the year
It's laughable. I agree that we should trade him if he gets over the $10 million mark, but that's more due to wanting to keep cam and wanting young depth at WR. It's only with trading him if we are going to get players on a rookie contact imo
It's laughable. I agree that we should trade him if he gets over the $10 million mark, but that's more due to wanting to keep cam and wanting young depth at WR. It's only with trading him if we are going to get players on a rookie contact imo
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 11:20 am
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:21 am to dcrews
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When he starts scoring all those TD's against legit defenses and not against shitty teams at home, then I'll agree.
I'm glad you agree with us then, because if you actually did any fricking research and knew what the hell you were actually talking about then you would know that he did JUST THE DAMN THING YOU ARE SAYING.
Go masturbate to your my little pony set, poser
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:27 am to dcrews
Seattle made perhaps the greatest QB in history look like a bitch.
But JG playing with Plantar fasciitis gets no leeway at all it seems.
His agent playing all the cards he can to get as much for his client as he can is considered to be a new phenomenon never seen on Earth before with JG getting all the blame.
After reading all these comments a small part of me (very small) wishes he would jet just so you all could see how special he is on another team.
But JG playing with Plantar fasciitis gets no leeway at all it seems.
His agent playing all the cards he can to get as much for his client as he can is considered to be a new phenomenon never seen on Earth before with JG getting all the blame.
After reading all these comments a small part of me (very small) wishes he would jet just so you all could see how special he is on another team.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:28 am to dcrews
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Dude is good, but looking at his stats last year against defenses that were above average, he wasn't a beast when it counted.
...he was an absolute beast before the Patriots game.
37 receptions, 593 yards, 6 TDs in 5 games...before this happened:
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While the Saints' No. 1 tight end was a game-time decision for Week 8, FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reported Sunday morning that Graham has a partially torn plantar fascia, an ailment that makes it tough to run and cut on.
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The plantar fascia is a layer of connective tissue that connects the heel to the toes. It helps support several muscles, tendons and nerves in the foot. Plantar fascia can get strained with repetitive force on the injured foot, and eventually torn. Pain can arise from inflammation in the tissue and with instability in the arch. Pain can be a long-lasting issue, for several months or longer, and feels like the heel is getting stabbed with a knife. Graham might be dealing with this discomfort for weeks or months.
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Rest can resolve pain, but for Graham, that may prove a challenge in practice and on game day. Steroid injections can be effective and have good success rates. Surgery can be done and is typically effective, but Graham may have to conservatively manage it until the off-season. It generally takes 6 to 18 months for complete healing to take place, similar to Antonio Gates in recent years. Most cases respond to conservative, non-surgical approaches to treatment.
Why is this so often ignored in all the "Graham is not elite" talks?
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 11:39 am
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:29 am to Breesus
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Am I supplemented by advertising contracts which pay more than my salary? And give me enough money to live comfortably the rest of my life? Will bettering my coworkers make us more than likely win a once in a lifetime prize every company strives for?
Why are you acting like a commie on this issue? It isn't unreasonable to want to get fair market value for your services. If that means that he has to leave then that's the way the world is.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:30 am to Midget Death Squad
Brees and Graham cannot win games or the super bowl on their own. If that was not painfully obvious this season to you I don't know what games you were watching. Therefore paying Graham to the detriment ofthe team makes no sense.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:34 am to dcrews
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if he's asking for an absorbent amount of money
...he's trying to soak the Saints.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:34 am to Breesus
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Therefore paying Graham to the detriment of the team makes no sense.
Lets hope there is no argument here.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:34 am to Breesus
im not against resigning jimmy, but he isnt worth a large salary given our other needs. better to sign a top flight cb in fa and let jimmy walk if we cant get him for a reasonable salary.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:36 am to goatmilker
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Seattle made perhaps the greatest QB in history look like a bitch.
But JG playing with Plantar fasciitis gets no leeway at all it seems.
this...it's hilarious to me that people keep saying "he's not elite/not a top talent because he disappeared in the big game"
...when the last game we all watched this season had perhaps the greatest QB of all time doing the same thing.
but alas, all truly great/elite players to ever grace the NFL have NEVER once had a bad game
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:37 am to drake20
Peyton Manning is not the greatest quarterback of all time. And he also has a major choke problem
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:39 am to drake20
Facts:
Jimmy Graham broke (momentarily) the single-season yardage mark for a TE in 2011.
JG played the majority of the season with a lingering (painful) injury and led the league in TD receptions by a wide margin.
JG has played his career thus far on a 3rd round rookie contract.
Other pass-catchers were unable to stretch the field this past year, allowing safeties to play closer to the LOS and devote more attention to JG.
Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Kenny Stills, and Robert Meachem are not an intimidating WR corps and will need to be addressed via draft of FA.
The guy is an elite talent, has played organized football for four(?) years TOTAL and has paid his dues athletically and financially with the team.
PAY THE MAN!!!!
Jimmy Graham broke (momentarily) the single-season yardage mark for a TE in 2011.
JG played the majority of the season with a lingering (painful) injury and led the league in TD receptions by a wide margin.
JG has played his career thus far on a 3rd round rookie contract.
Other pass-catchers were unable to stretch the field this past year, allowing safeties to play closer to the LOS and devote more attention to JG.
Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Kenny Stills, and Robert Meachem are not an intimidating WR corps and will need to be addressed via draft of FA.
The guy is an elite talent, has played organized football for four(?) years TOTAL and has paid his dues athletically and financially with the team.
PAY THE MAN!!!!
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:39 am to Breesus
If you want to argue the implications of paying him a high contract, then you have something that isn't a stupid uninformed statement that you are presenting as fact. I disagree with you in that it will be to the detriment of the team, but both stances each hold their weight and have substance to them. However.... these cumquats that spew the "Jimmay disappeared in big games; Jimmay was shut down against good defenses; Jimmay couldn't beat elite coverage" is absolutely false and nothing more than idiots spewing a mantra because they only pay attention to three games rather than the entire season and body of work. They also ignore that he played most of the season with an injury that adversely effects his position, and he still played at an elite level with it. That is what I am taking issue with, and it is the reason these boards are so damn exhausting. It's like trying to explain to a child why eating 8 bars of chocolate before dinner is not a good idea; they are too caught up in their own ignorance to see the truth that is hitting them upside the cranium like an aluminum baseball bat
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 11:41 am
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:42 am to chilge1
Facts:
The Saints have a cap issue.
Drew Brees needs an elite oline infinitely more than he needs elite receivers.
We need money to pay the defense eventually
Jimmy, while talented and great, cannot be paid a ton of money because we don't have that money to give. So he can either take average te money and try to be on a super bowl winning team or he can sign a huge contract with a shite team that has a bunch of money and be forgotten in a few years.
The Saints have a cap issue.
Drew Brees needs an elite oline infinitely more than he needs elite receivers.
We need money to pay the defense eventually
Jimmy, while talented and great, cannot be paid a ton of money because we don't have that money to give. So he can either take average te money and try to be on a super bowl winning team or he can sign a huge contract with a shite team that has a bunch of money and be forgotten in a few years.
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