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re: Jeff Ireland is not going anywhere
Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:53 pm to BigBrod81
Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:53 pm to BigBrod81
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Finks didn't help the situation either with his lack of attention to the WR & QB positions.
Please tell me about Sean Payton’s attention to the WR and QB positions.
I’ll hang up and listen
And BTW
frick you pussies that don’t like my spacing
Y’all sound like the little girls that you are.
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Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:58 pm to BigBrod81
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quote: We taught the rest of the league how to play defense against their west coast offense.
quote: I’d say we competed and were arguably the second best team in the league.
Yet at the end of the day, how many NFC West titles, playoff wins & Super Bowl wins did this bring?
I’m totally offended by your spacing between Quotes!
Really, just get over it!
I’m going to talk to the manager
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:01 pm to touchdownjeebus
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quote: Jim Finks.....
Finks was more responsible for the 84 cubs than he was the 85 bears.
The point is that Jim Finks turned the Saints organization into a legitimate NFL organization
It wasn’t Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton
Many kids on this board don’t understand or don’t know this
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:05 pm to LafTiger
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Yes, I'm old, but worked in the org as an intern many years ago...
.Famous quote from Finks, "If it wasn't for that MF'er Carl Smith we would have won 3 super bowls with that defense."
Yes
That was absolutely Jim Mora and Carl Smith’s offense
Not Jim Finks
Also Jim Finks took care of his players and taught them how to save their money
So they would be financially stable the rest of their lives.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:08 pm to Doublebagger
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Bears arent letting him leave without a contract. Book it.
I hope you’re wrong.
It will be a devastating loss if you are correct.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:15 pm to Jamohn
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You are consistently the dumbest poster on this board.
And that's saying a lot considering how many dumb posters we have here.
Well that’s cute.
Can you explain why you think that way?
What in my OP do you disagree with
And why do you do so?
If you want to continue the ad hominem attacks that’s fine.
But give me coherent reasons why you think I’m the “dumbest poster”
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:15 pm to Rohan Gravy
i just read an article about the 4 most important people in the history of the NFL.
Vince Lombardi was no. 1
John Madden no. 2
Bill Belichek no. 3
and Jeff Ireland no. 4
Vince Lombardi was no. 1
John Madden no. 2
Bill Belichek no. 3
and Jeff Ireland no. 4
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:21 pm to Chad504boy
Ireland needs to fire Payton and make Taysom the starting QB!
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:22 pm to Rohan Gravy
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You kids don’t know what I’m talking about
But carry on with your naivety
Who in the almighty frick are you talking too? Please tell me you meant to reply to a post but somehow started a new thread
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:28 pm to Rohan Gravy
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Please tell me about Sean Payton’s attention to the WR and QB positions.
WRs drafted under Sean Payton
1. Marques Colston
2. Robert Meachem
3. Kenny Stills
4. Brandin Cooks
5. Michael Thomas
*Jimmy Graham
QB Free Agent Signings
1. Drew Brees
2. Jameis Winston
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:37 pm to Rohan Gravy
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That was absolutely Jim Mora and Carl Smith’s offense
Who hired them & was responsible for the players that were drafted in that era?
quote:
Also Jim Finks took care of his players and taught them how to save their money
So they would be financially stable the rest of their lives.
Fink's simple minded conservative approach wasted the years of the Dome Patrol.
Oh you mean like he did with the contract dispute with Bobby Hebert in 1990? Al Davis had Marcus Allen rotting away on the vine with the Raiders at that time. He was willing to trade Allen & a pick for Hebert yet Finks stupid arse said no.
Hebert sat out an entire season & Finks ended up having to pay Hebert anyway.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:48 pm to BigBrod81
That is a sad and disingenuous response
How many very good WRs have we had on the same team
I won’t continue to respond to your nonsense
You seem to be incapable of being intellectually honest
You’re just trying to win an argument
So all of your friends on this board will give you upvotes
Enjoy your upvotes
We got Drew Brees because Saban didn’t want him.
We got Winston because nobody wanted him.
Good luck with Winston and one good WR
That’s an offensive genius?
Even Drew Brees had to deal with lack of talent at the WR position
How many very good WRs have we had on the same team
I won’t continue to respond to your nonsense
You seem to be incapable of being intellectually honest
You’re just trying to win an argument
So all of your friends on this board will give you upvotes
Enjoy your upvotes
We got Drew Brees because Saban didn’t want him.
We got Winston because nobody wanted him.
Good luck with Winston and one good WR
That’s an offensive genius?
Even Drew Brees had to deal with lack of talent at the WR position
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:50 pm to BigBrod81
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Yet at the end of the day,
You didn’t refute any of my comments
Posted on 1/14/22 at 2:02 pm to Rohan Gravy
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You seem to be incapable of being intellectually honest
Shut up. I gave Finks credit for hiring Mora & putting together a defense that helped turn the organization around.
This bullshite fantasy you have about Finks though is incorrect. Finks stubborn, cheap, anti player ways are well documented. Many felt Finks was destined to replace Pete Rozelle & be the second NFL commissioner but his own ornery, stubborn & combative attitude ended up costing him that opportunity.
Back to the Hebert situation & Finks' refusal to address the WR positions during his era.
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The New Orleans Saints, it seemed, would have a full blown quarterback controversy heading into 1990, except Bobby Hebert didn’t have a contract and free agency was just something the players were working to get.
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Hebert thought Saints would trade him
While fans might have been expecting a training camp battle between Fourcade and Hebert, the one person who wasn’t expecting it was Bobby Hebert. He fully expected to get shipped out of town.
“I really thought the Saints would trade me off, but I had no idea what would eventually happen. I just wanted to get paid like most starting quarterbacks in the league and I had skins on the wall. Jim Finks felt as though he owned me for my football life. Gil Brandt, with the Cowboys, had a saying that players are like cattle and owners are like ranchers. Ranchers can always get more cattle. That was Finks' mentality too. I just wanted to get paid like most starting NFL quarterbacks and because Fourcade had some success late (Finks) didn't feel as though I should get paid that kind of money.”
Finks had other ideas
While Bobby expected to be traded, the Saints general manager at the time, Jim Finks, had other ideas. Mike Detillier explains how Finks operated. “Jim Finks was old school and he was going to make Bobby pay the price. What got Bobby really upset was that the Oakland Raiders had a good deal on the table to trade for him and he would have gotten market value and Finks refused to trade him off because of spite.
He wanted to break Bobby's case and felt others were going to learn a lesson from it. It was a matter of principle. Finks had the ultimate voice. Tom Benson wanted the Saints to come to a deal with Bobby, but Finks in his contract had the final say on football matters. Finks was head strong to win without Bobby and even at the expense of his team.” As training camp opened most fans sided with Saints management, besides Fourcade was spectacular those three final games in 1989, so did the Saints really need Hebert anyway?
Posted on 1/14/22 at 2:15 pm to BigBrod81
Continued...
LINK
LINK
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What were the Raiders offering you might be asking? According to Greg Campbell, Bobby Hebert’s agent, Oakland offered future Hall of Fame running back Marcus Allen and a 2nd round draft pick. Allen was feuding with Al Davis at the time, and even though he was 30 years old, still had over 1000 carries and 60 touchdowns left in him.
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“Finks refused to trade him. He wanted Bobby crawling back at his price to play football with the Saints. He knew Bobby grew up in Louisiana, had a home here, his family was here and thought he could break him down. It didn't happen.”
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Saints gave up a lot of picks for Steve Walsh
Instead of caving and signing Hebert, Finks traded first, second, and third round draft picks to the Dallas Cowboys for Steve Walsh. It seems crazy now and made little sense at the time to fans but Mike Detillier says Walsh’s salary was especially appealing to cost conscious Finks. “He knew John Fourcade couldn't get it done and Steve Walsh was signed to a long term rookie deal.”
The 1990 Saints rallied to finish 8-8 and make the playoffs, but scored 20 or fewer points 11 times that year, including just 6 in the postseason defeat to the Chicago Bears. Jim Finks would eventually sign Hebert in June 1991 to a contract that guaranteed Hebert $1.3 million in '91, $1.45 million in '92.
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“Finks told me he had zero regrets. Finks wanted to get his point across, similar to what he did in Minnesota with Joe Kapp (Finks was GM of the Vikings when they played in Super Bowl IV after the 1969 season). Kapp got them to the Super Bowl and wanted market value and Jim Finks balked. He eventually dealt Kapp to the New England Patriots and then made a trade for Fran Tarkenton.
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"I begged Jim Finks to trade for Anthony Carter because the Vikings didn't want to pay him fair price and he just flipped that suggestion off. Finks was old school. We could have used those picks to get AC. That team would have been something with Eric Martin and Anthony Carter.
"I have no regrets for what took place. I wanted to win for my community and the Saints fans, but what a lot of people don't know is that even Tom Benson at that time couldn't tell Finks what to do. Finks had partial ownership of the team and in his contract. The coach nor the owner could tell him what to do personnel wise.
LINK
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Now, after the first season in Los Angeles, Davis was trying to trade for Elway. And Rozelle was having none of it. For all the pressure on Rozelle to have Elway in the NFL, there was no way Elway was going to the Raiders.
Raiders executive Steve Ortmayer was put in charge of making the deal. The first objective was to get a pick in the top six selections to help satisfy the Baltimore Colts. Ortmayer had the parameters of a deal with Chicago for the number six overall pick. The Raiders were going to give the Bears two players in exchange for the number six overall pick. The Bears got to choose one player from each of two groups. The first group was either cornerback Ted Watts (a 1981 first-rounder) or defensive tackle Howie Long (a second-round pick in 1981 who eventually became a Hall of Famer). The second group included linebacker Jeff Barnes and defensive backs Vann McElroy, Kenny Hill, and Mike Davis.
In the days leading up to the draft, Ortmayer called Demoff to say the Raiders had a deal with the Bears and, in turn, Baltimore. The Raiders would take the number six pick from Chicago, their own number twenty-six overall pick, and a first-round pick in 1984 and send those three picks to Baltimore for Elway. But on the night before the 1983 draft was set to open on April 26, Chicago general manager Jim Finks called Ortmayer to say there was a problem. Specifically, there was no trade. As the story goes, NFL executive Don Weiss called Finks to put the kibosh on the deal.
Finks, who had announced in late 1982 that he was leaving the Bears and stayed on through the draft because Chicago owner George Halas was ill, had always been considered very loyal to the league. By 1989, he was a leading candidate to replace Rozelle as commissioner until a group of eleven owners refused to vote for him.
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“Had Jim Finks paid me market value he wouldn't have had to trade those three picks for Steve Walsh. I have no regrets for what I did. I was fighting for my rights as a player. The new breed of owners saw how Jim Finks was and it cost him the shot as commissioner. Jim was old school and so he cost the team the draft choices.
LINK
Posted on 1/14/22 at 2:39 pm to BigBrod81
Jeff Ireland is 1 of 11 candidates at this time interviewing for the Chicago position.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:04 pm to Rohan Gravy
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The point is that Jim Finks turned the Saints organization into a legitimate NFL organization
And it was burned to the ground. What Sean and Mickey have done shouldn’t be discredited or discounted.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:09 pm to BigBrod81
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Shut up.
No
You shut up with all of your bullshite words
That have zero bearing on this conversation
Keep writing lots of words
You think that makes you correct?
bullshite
How many WR corps has Sean Payton put together for Drew Brees?
And this is over a period of time when we had the worst defenses in the NFL
Including the worst defense in the history of the NFL
And during that period he could never put more than one outstanding WR on the field
Look at the best teams in the league
They have 2-3 outstanding WRs
But Sean Payton is an offensive genius
He doesn’t need good WRs
Right?
What would our record be without our defense this year?
Is Sean Payton responsible for our outstanding defense this year?
If so
He’s responsible the the worst defenses in the NFL
He waisted a HOF QB in Drew Brees
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:16 pm to Rohan Gravy
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Rohan Gravy
Pipe down Gravy...ya thin skinned bastard
we'll see is the only correct answer to your post
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:21 pm to touchdownjeebus
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quote: The point is that Jim Finks turned the Saints organization into a legitimate NFL organization
And it was burned to the ground. What Sean and Mickey have done shouldn’t be discredited or discounted.
Of course it shouldn’t be discredited
We won a SuperBowl because of them
My point is Jim Finks made us a legitimate NFL organization for the first time in our history
That should not be discredited or discounted.
That is all.
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