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re: Jaguars not picking up Fournette's 5th year option.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 3:56 pm to Mpd31
Posted on 5/4/20 at 3:56 pm to Mpd31
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I don’t see him wanting less than 10.
He can want in one hand and shite in the other and all that. He’s not getting close to 10. I’m like Les, don’t love the fit, but at the right number, you’d have to take him. Especially over Murray. And I think that number is significantly less than you do.
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 4:44 pm to Friedbrie
Got Patriots written all over him
Posted on 5/4/20 at 5:06 pm to Lester Earl
Fournette is clearly a top 8 back in the league , in the right spot he is in the top 5.
LSU did not over use him so he was not broke down when he arrived in the NFL. He would be perfect for a team that wanted to get away from being so passing game dependent after Drew retires. With that Saints line he may be good good for 1500 yards or more plus another 500 - 750 in receiving.
LSU did not over use him so he was not broke down when he arrived in the NFL. He would be perfect for a team that wanted to get away from being so passing game dependent after Drew retires. With that Saints line he may be good good for 1500 yards or more plus another 500 - 750 in receiving.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:06 pm to Hot Carl
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He can want in one hand and shite in the other and all that. He’s not getting close to 10. I’m like Les, don’t love the fit, but at the right number, you’d have to take him. Especially over Murray. And I think that number is significantly less than you do.
I think you are underestimating his market. Gordon got 8 per year coming off a bad year. Gordon has also only eclipsed 1000 yards rushing 1 time in 5 years. He was also offered 10 per year by the Chargers but turned it down.
Fournette has eclipsed 1000 yards rushing 2 out of 3 years. He also ran the ball in a worse offense and ran against stacked boxes. He is way more talented than Gordon. If he stays healthy and has another good year then he will get at least 10 per year easily from a rb starved team with money to spend. He is also younger, more talented, more dynamic, and a home run threat. His biggest question will be his health but if he stays healthy this year (a second year in a row) then he will get paid by someone.
Gordon battled a lot of lingering injuries throughout his career as well and still got a good pay day.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 7:01 pm to Hot Carl
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but at the right number, you’d have to take him
Posted on 5/4/20 at 7:11 pm to tigersbb
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Fournette is clearly a top 8 back in the league , in the right spot he is in the top 5.
Top 15 or so. Maybe closer to 20
He has a role which is becoming less & Less valuable. But he’d definitely get to showcase his talents more on the right team.
I’d take him over Ingram & Murray for sure
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:15 pm to Friedbrie
I’ll take him, as long as we don’t have to play Bama
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:49 pm to LSU_30A
Whew am glad u not the coach. That is too high
Posted on 5/4/20 at 11:08 pm to Lester Earl
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Top 15 or so. Maybe closer to 20
Here is the top 25 in rushing last season. Fournette ranked seventh , one ahead of him was QB Lamar Jackson. Which of the 18 runners who gained fewer yards would you rank ahead of him. He also caught 76 passes which ranked in the top 25 in the league.
Derrick Henry
TEN 303 1,540
Nick Chubb
CLE 298 1,494
Christian McCaffrey
CAR 287 1,387
Ezekiel Elliott
DAL 301 1,357
Chris Carson
SEA 278 1,230
Lamar Jackson
BAL 176 1,206
Leonard Fournette
JAX 265 1,152
Josh Jacobs
LV 242 1,150
Joe Mixon
CIN 278 1,137
Dalvin Cook
MIN 250 1,135
Marlon Mack
IND 247 1,091
Aaron Jones
GB 236 1,084
Carlos Hyde
HOU 245 1,070
Mark Ingram II
BAL 202 1,018
Phillip Lindsay
DEN 224 1,011
Saquon Barkley
NYG 217 1,003
Sony Michel
NE 247 912
Adrian Peterson
WAS 211 898
David Montgomery
CHI 242 889
Todd Gurley II
ATL 223 857
Miles Sanders
PHI 179 818
Kenyan Drake
ARI 170 817
Alvin Kamara
NO 171 797
Le'Veon Bell
NYJ 245 789
Devin Singletary
BUF 151 775
Posted on 5/4/20 at 11:26 pm to tigersbb
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Which of the 18 runners who gained fewer yards would you rank ahead of him
Kamara
Barkley
Mixon
Cook
Jones
Sanders
Bell
Drake
Jacobs
Posted on 5/4/20 at 11:42 pm to tigersbb
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Fournette is clearly a top 8 back in the league , in the right spot he is in the top 5.
Mercy.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:10 am to Lester Earl
You could make an argument for Kamara or Barkley, like Fournette injuries have impacted their performances. The rest are no where close to Fournette in either accomplishments or potential.
Likewise you can make an argument for Fournette over Carson.
Each back is talented and will flourish in certain systems and not in others. Injuries have limited some of their appearances. However , the records clearly place Fournette in the top eight, and you can subjectively move him up or down a notch or two. The key point is he could fill the role of the power back for the Saints better than Murray and likely better than Ingram.
Likewise you can make an argument for Fournette over Carson.
Each back is talented and will flourish in certain systems and not in others. Injuries have limited some of their appearances. However , the records clearly place Fournette in the top eight, and you can subjectively move him up or down a notch or two. The key point is he could fill the role of the power back for the Saints better than Murray and likely better than Ingram.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:01 am to tigersbb
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The rest are no where close to Fournette in either accomplishments or potential.
Dalvin Cook had 20 less total yards from scrimmage on 38 less touches
He had more rushing TDs last year than Fournette has had the last two combined seasons.
Joe MIxon played on an even worst team. Wasn't afford the cheap dump offs Fournette had, but is a much better all around receiving back and a more dynamic runner
Aaron Jones led the NFL in TDs. HE's also one of the best ball catching backs in the league. Jones had 19 total TDs last year. Fournette has scored 19 TDs in his whole career.
Le'veon Bell is one of the best catching backs in the league. He fits any system and can play all 3 downs.
Miles Sanders, you'll know this year what I am talking about. Another 3 down back teams covet.
Josh Jacobs great rookie year on a bad team. Sees holes Fournette doesnt. Always positive yards.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:11 am to Lester Earl
And this deserves its own post.
Fournette had 76 catches on 100 targets
The total air yards on all those combined targets: 19 yards.
Air yards being described as the amount of yards the ball travels in the air on each attempt
Fournette is simply catching dump offs at or behind the LOS
There's a difference in being able to catch a ball, and being a good receiver. All those guys I listed? Good receivers, who also can be every down runners.
Fournette had 76 catches on 100 targets
The total air yards on all those combined targets: 19 yards.
Air yards being described as the amount of yards the ball travels in the air on each attempt
Fournette is simply catching dump offs at or behind the LOS
There's a difference in being able to catch a ball, and being a good receiver. All those guys I listed? Good receivers, who also can be every down runners.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:13 am to tigersbb
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The key point is he could fill the role of the power back for the Saints better than Murray and likely better than Ingram.
And he is extremely unlikely to come here to play for 4M/yr like they did.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:08 pm to tigersbb
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Fournette is clearly a top 8 back in the league , in the right spot he is in the top 5.
CMC, Zeke, Saquon, Henry, Chubb, Cook, Jacobs, Kamara are all easily better IMO.
He's towards the middle/bottom of that next tier with guys like Lindsay, Mack, Carson, Ingram, Gordon, Bell, Drake, Connor.
He has top 5 physical tools, but he doesn't have any vision and really never has. You see that often with guys that were bigger than everyone else in the 8th grade. It's a skill that's never developed because it was never needed.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:17 pm to tigersbb
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You could make an argument for Kamara or Barkley, like Fournette injuries have impacted their performances. The rest are no where close to Fournette in either accomplishments or potential.
LMAO holy shite. You're saying that about a list that included Le'veon Bell?
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the records clearly place Fournette in the top eight
He doesn't even average 4 ypc for his entire career. You can blame the jags offense all you want, but the fact is that TJ Yeldon is a journeyman backup. He was more efficient than Fournette both seasons that they played together in jacksonville. If there was such a talent disparity then you would expect that to either be the other way around or for their numbers to be similar.
Every back collecting a paycheck has 4 YPC potential. Saying guys like Aaron Jones and Josh Jacobs don't just makes you look like a massive homer
Posted on 5/6/20 at 12:59 am to Lester Earl
Most of the backs you cited are similar to Kamara. The don't need another one. Fournette fills the Ingram/Murray mold but is younger.
Leveon Bell has a lot of wear on his treads.
As for Jacobs lets see how he develops. Fournette also had a great rookie year.
With regard to your other comments regarding receiving skills, I am not sure if you are being facetious about the air yards. But, what difference does it make where he catches the ball , he still gained 600 yards receiving. He would not run the same routes as Kamara. Drew dumps off a lot of screen passes that don't travel far and Ingram and Pierre Thomas feasted on them over the years.
Leveon Bell has a lot of wear on his treads.
As for Jacobs lets see how he develops. Fournette also had a great rookie year.
With regard to your other comments regarding receiving skills, I am not sure if you are being facetious about the air yards. But, what difference does it make where he catches the ball , he still gained 600 yards receiving. He would not run the same routes as Kamara. Drew dumps off a lot of screen passes that don't travel far and Ingram and Pierre Thomas feasted on them over the years.
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 1:07 am
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:16 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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LMAO holy shite. You're saying that about a list that included Le'veon Bell?
Bell was the best back in the league for several seasons and will be a Hall of Famer, but he is on the down swing of his career and Fournette is a better back at this time. So yes, he does have more accomplishments but not as much potential.
I am not a homer and could care less he was an LSU player. I want the best player for the Saints and if Jacobs was that guy I would want him over Fournette even though I despise Alabama. I rooted like hell for Ingram. All of these guys are really good players I just think Fournette brings a more complete package to the role of complementing Kamara and would be very effective with the Saints.
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