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Internal League memo suggests Goodell will re-issue the same Suspensions
Posted on 9/7/12 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 9/7/12 at 9:46 pm
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Posted on 9/7/12 at 9:49 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 9/7/12 at 10:06 pm to Fun Bunch
If he re-issues the same punishments, Berrigan will be pissed. And honestly, to me that seems like PR suicide. I think at this point the media has been drifting enough to the Saints side that they will heavily question this ruling without hard evidence.
This post was edited on 9/7/12 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 9/7/12 at 10:08 pm to Fun Bunch
He'll let the PR war slip away further.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 10:12 pm to saintsfan22
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He'll let the PR war slip away further.
Yep. He overplayed his hand from the get go.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 10:25 pm to Fun Bunch
If Rog hands down the same penalties he is dumber and more corrupt than I thought.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 10:34 pm to Wild Thang
It's almost guaranteed the players, especially Vilma, will not accept any significant suspension from Goodell, because he can only suspend them for intent to injure, not pay for performance. If it was the other way around, it would give everyone a chance to save face, but it's not. Yet a number of players, Vitt, (and maybe others? IDK) have signed sworn affidavits that there was never an intent to injure program, etc. To accept a suspension (other than a trivial one) would be akin to admitting there really was a PTI program in place and frankly would taint the players more than ever. I can't imagine it would help Vilma in his defamation suit either. Goodell is going to re-suspend and this will go back to Berrigan, IMO.
This post was edited on 9/7/12 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 9/7/12 at 11:58 pm to kclsufan
This would be great. It will show Goodell is just being a pissy baby. A pissy baby on a power trip, at that.
This post was edited on 9/8/12 at 12:00 am
Posted on 9/8/12 at 12:09 am to TigerRanter
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This would be great. It will show Goodell is just being a pissy baby. A pissy baby on a power trip, at that.
No it wouldn't. In no way shape or form would suspending Vilma and Smith be a great thing. It just means more shite to deal with.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 12:09 am to kclsufan
The Whole thing with the suspensions under the "intent to injure" title is complete bullshite. Look at Suh and Albert Hanesworth. Stomped on heads and kicked players. They Maliciously tried to injure downed players and how many game suspensions did they serve?? Goodell need to seriously consider his past punishments for egregious acts committed on the field.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 12:18 am to Fun Bunch
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Internal League memo suggests Goodell will re-issue the same Suspensions
If I was a tin foil hat guy, I'd think the league might have "leaned" on the appeals panel to rule the way they did, just so Goodell could get another attempt at making his decision "judge-proof"
Posted on 9/8/12 at 12:18 am to Hazelnut
quote:Well, of course in that sense, but I've already resigned myself to the fact that it's going to happen.
No it wouldn't. In no way shape or form would suspending Vilma and Smith be a great thing. It just means more shite to deal with.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 6:41 am to Fun Bunch
Yeah, I figured as much, and then hopefully we'll get an injunction for the players while this plays out in court.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 7:31 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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If he re-issues the same punishments, Berrigan will be pissed. And honestly, to me that seems like PR suicide. I think at this point the media has been drifting enough to the Saints side that they will heavily question this ruling without hard evidence.
I don't think RG's ego will allow for anything but reissuing the same suspensions. RG is on a major power trip.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 7:33 am to jacks40
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If I was a tin foil hat guy, I'd think the league might have "leaned" on the appeals panel to rule the way they did, just so Goodell could get another attempt at making his decision "judge-proof"
That was my first thought actually. This is better for Goodell in some ways, in a legal sense.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 8:16 am to Fun Bunch
How though. If he can only suspend players for having intent to injure, how is this better for him unless he has significant proof?
Posted on 9/8/12 at 8:20 am to Fun Bunch
Can any Lawyer on here make one thing clear to me. Does Judge Berrigan have the power to demand to see the evidence which the players are accused wrongdoing?
This post was edited on 9/8/12 at 8:21 am
Posted on 9/8/12 at 8:44 am to St Augustine
He has always argued intent to injure. So, he'll just suspend them again strictly on this basis. The Appeals panel said he had sole jurisdiction on that. So, he simply reiterates his position.
It's then shifted back to the players to challenge the validity of the suspensions, which is harder to do given the CBA and Roger's power. They can't challenge his jurisdiction on that anymore, only the validity.
It's then shifted back to the players to challenge the validity of the suspensions, which is harder to do given the CBA and Roger's power. They can't challenge his jurisdiction on that anymore, only the validity.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 8:54 am to CECILTURTLE
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Can any Lawyer on here make one thing clear to me. Does Judge Berrigan have the power to demand to see the evidence which the players are accused wrongdoing?
I am a lawyer and that is the crucial question. Can a federal judge review the sufficiency of the evidence used by the Commissioner to reach his decision. Maybe not. Even if the judge has the power to determine if due process was afforded the players with regard to the "intent to injure" issue, that doesn't necessarily mean that Judge Berrigan can substitute her evaluation of the evidence for that of the Commissioner (considering his power under the terms of the CBA). So, I'm not really sure.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 8:56 am to Fun Bunch
Color me shocked...
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