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re: If this year is actually "the year" to win with Brees, what draft move would you make?

Posted on 4/4/20 at 3:12 am to
Posted by WicKed WayZ
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 3:12 am to
A future second would likely only get us a third round pick.
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 6:19 am to
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Isaiah Simmons is pretty much the exact linebacker you would design if you had create a player for this defense. That is our biggest hole on the team, olb. But hes getting mocked in top 5. I'm not sure 2 1sts is even the beginning of what wed have to give up for that.


He would have to slide. Top 5 would be too costly but defensive players slide all the time. Most likely spot for Simmons is 4th to Giants or 7th to Carolina. However, giants have a bad oline and a young franchise qb that they need to protect. Carolina seems to need and like Derrick Brown who some consider one of the top 3 players in the draft. Jags could go Kinclaw since they need interior too. In this circumstance I have Giants, Cards, Browns, and Jets all going tackles.

Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 7:49 am to
Win it all and no one will care whatever the move.

Anger level 0.0

Don't and people will monitor the move much more closely.

Anger level 1.0 to start.
Posted by dcw7g
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 7:59 am to
I get the fascination with Simmons, but while his ceiling is high, so is his bust potential. You can argue that he can play multiple positions on defense, I would argue that means he may not be a fit for any position. Is there a similar player in the NFL? And don’t tell me Tyrann Matthieu. Jabrill Peppers is an example of a first round pick who is a fantastic athlete with no clear position. Haasan Reddick is another. Both were first round picks who are struggling to find a fit on defense. If you draft Simmons, you better have a defensive coordinator with some imagination who knows exactly how to use him. I would make a safer, more straightforward pick.
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 8:13 am to
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I get the fascination with Simmons, but while his ceiling is high, so is his bust potential. You can argue that he can play multiple positions on defense, I would argue that means he may not be a fit for any position. Is there a similar player in the NFL? And don’t tell me Tyrann Matthieu. Jabrill Peppers is an example of a first round pick who is a fantastic athlete with no clear position. Haasan Reddick is another. Both were first round picks who are struggling to find a fit on defense. If you draft Simmons, you better have a defensive coordinator with some imagination who knows exactly how to use him. I would make a safer, more straightforward pick.


I agree with all of this. It’s also why you don’t count on trading multiple very high picks for a guy like this. Say he becomes a pro bowl caliber player in year 2-3. That’s awesome in of itself, but it likely doesn’t accomplish the goal in the OP of putting us over the top in Drew’s ride into the sunset.

More than likely that’s going to be accomplished or not by established veterans. Moving up in the draft at a high cost just isn’t the way to maximize your chances for a single season. Vets over rookies if that’s the goal.
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 8:30 am to

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Posted by Mpd31
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 9:01 am to
Simmons is a different animal than Peppers or Reddick. Peppers has to play safety bc he is not big enough to play linebacker. Reddick is more of an edge player that isn’t big enough to play edge. His athleticism and sack production is what put him on the map. Simmons is not undersized for any position. He is a 6’3 240 lb linebacker that has the versatility to play safety. His position in the nfl will be linebacker but can play at other positions and was highly productive in college. There has never really been a prospect that he compares to. The closest player comparisons do not have his skill set. The ceiling is incredible and worth the risk. I don’t disagree with trading for veterans but frankly we don’t have the cap to do so. Rookies can make an impact on the team. Look at Nick Bosa last year.
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 9:05 am
Posted by BenDover78
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 9:44 am to
I would do what it takes to get Justin Jefferson. Having a slot guy/third option to force a safety or a nickel corner away from Kamara and Cook would allow us to set fire to the league. Truly would be unguardable.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:04 am to
Simmons is 6’4” 238 with freak measureables and the tape to back it all up. He’s Zion of this draft class. Safer or straightforward? What ??

It’s a disservice to compare him to Hassan frickin reddick or peppers. Peppers doesn’t have a position because he’s a tweener size wise. Reddick is all athlete with no skill, can’t cover etc.
Posted by LSU_30A
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:23 am to
Everyone is talking about Simmons being the guy you’d trade up for but has everyone forgotten that it was Derrick Brown who came the closest to giving LSU a loss last year. Interior DL guys like him don’t come around very often. His ability to take on 2-3 blockers at a time and still put pressure on the QB allowed Auburn to sit back in that 3-1-7 defense all day and cover the middle of the field where Joe loved to do a lot of his damage.
Posted by Mpd31
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:30 am to
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Everyone is talking about Simmons being the guy you’d trade up for but has everyone forgotten that it was Derrick Brown who came the closest to giving LSU a loss last year. Interior DL guys like him don’t come around very often. His ability to take on 2-3 blockers at a time and still put pressure on the QB allowed Auburn to sit back in that 3-1-7 defense all day and cover the middle of the field where Joe loved to do a lot of his damage.


It is bc we are loaded at the interior defensive line. I feel like if you are giving up that much then you at least should fill a need. Also I can’t see him falling past Carolina and Jacksonville. He is considered by many as the third best player in the draft so Carolina could very well take him even if Simmons was on the board.
Posted by LSU_30A
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:44 am to
I understand your reasoning but history has shown the Saints brass doesn’t think like that. They go after who is at the top of their board and dont worry about the depth chart. BPA regardless of position. I remember a lot of people upset we used our 31st pick on Ramcyzk because our OL was a team strength. Look how that turned out.
Posted by BenDover78
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:49 am to
Exactly. What appears to be a need in April isn't always a need in September. People were riots when we picked Ram at 31 that year. Then 11 plays into the year he was thrust into the game at RT and never left. Now he's all pro. Trust your scout. Get good football players, regardless of position
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:49 am to
Yeah I agree but on those picks they weren’t trading up for a need in the first round. If we stay pat at 24 we are going BPA. If we trade up and giving up an additional first we going after a need. We needed a second pass rusher when we traded up for Davenport. It was a missing link in our defense.

With that being said the pick will have to match the value. They would have to feel that strongly about the player. They are not just going to trade up just bc their options are getting slim at a position of need (Johnathan Sullivan)
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 10:56 am
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:51 am to
It's because we dont even have a olb on this team that should be starting. You draft a rookie dl, wont make as much impact with our rotation being rather deep already there.

Literally the only position on the team, that we have no answer for is olb. We also need a lb that can play in Space, and athletic enough to control a sideline. That would free up demario davis to blitz more, and not have to play both sidelines. Isaiah thomas is built with a blueprint that we couldn't have done any better.

He would make an immediate impact in a way no other position could. We cant afford anyone that's a vet that can do that with around 9 million in cap space. So I dont see how this wont be a need later, that reasoning makes no sense. We aren't going to just grow an olb outside fa and draft.

This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 10:54 am
Posted by dcw7g
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:52 am to
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Peppers has to play safety bc he is not big enough to play linebacker. Reddick is more of an edge player that isn’t big enough to play edge. His athleticism and sack production is what put him on the map.


These things are obvious now, after a couple years in the league, but heading into their drafts I heard the same talk of how they could play multiple positions - didn’t work out that way. Admittedly, Simmons is a bigger, better athlete but the same concern remains.
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:55 am to
Peppers had alot of questions about his size not translating to being a tweener. Go read draft profiles. Every con was, size might not work in nfl for what he does in college, but so dynamic it's worth a shot.

Isaiah simmons does not have this problem. He is ideally sized for lb, the main position he would be playing.

Not saying he wont bust. Every single draft pick can bust. But we have "one year" under this scenario.
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 10:58 am
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:02 am to
Exactly! Both peppers and Hassan are limited bc of their size And it is difficult to find a fit for them bc of it while Simmons has no size limitations and can play multiple positions due to his combination of size, speed, athleticism. There is no creative planning required to insert him into a defense bc he can effectively play linebacker and has the size for it.
Posted by LSU_30A
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 3:00 pm to
You said we don’t have a starting OLB? Demario Davis is our WLB so I’d say we have the best OLB in football. Alex Anzalone is the MLB and if he’s healthy he’s a damn good football player who can fly. His game is sideline to sideline so I think your concerns over speed at LB are unfounded considering 2 of the staring 3 are some of the fastest in the league at their position. Kiko Alonso also is a battle tested quality starting LB so I’m not very concerned about the position. Robertson can play all 3 positions and do it respectably and Kaden Ellis showed some talent in preseason last year. The team would love to add to the position no question but I don’t think they are losing sleep about it either. If it came down to a CB, LB, WR or OL and all had the same grades on their draft boards you can almost be sure they take the OL or the CB. They have proven they can get by with less talent at LB or WR and still be effective.
Posted by goatmilker
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 3:57 pm to
The skill of Alex and Kiko are not questioned just the fact they are missing a huge amount of games is.
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