re: I love some Kiki but I can't get over his bust aroma?

I have a feeling after his pro day, the Saints can start focusing on Jones not being there.

Why should he fail? I see him as an OLB who has great speed and good feet. Mingo played safety at West Monroe when he first started playing football. I do not see him as a 4-3 DE; he is too small.

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I have a feeling after his pro day, the Saints can start focusing on Jones not being there.

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I'm not so sure about this. I don't think he will run in the 4.6s. And our of all the DE/OLBs, he has the best change of dropping with Moore. But that's just what I think. Anytime a player is red flagged, they fall. Bowers went from 1 to 62 because he had a "loose knee".

I don't see it. If he was trying to stay at end sure, but as 3-4 OLB he's gonna be good.

Mingo is 5 lbs lighter that Jordan, not sure why he needs a lot more beefing up but Jordan looked the part. It's not just that people are saying he's too light, people are worried him gaining 10 lbs will make him soooo slow all of a sudden. Guy will be moving just as fast with a few lbs on. 30 lbs might slow him down, but 10 won't affect him. And 10 is all he needs to add. And Jordan just had surgery that puts him out 3-4 months. He will lose some weight. And Mingo looked better than Jordan at the combine.

Nevis- been IRed, but played a lot and has played well for a 3rd rounder. Can't call that a bust.

Dorsey- was never the same after knee injury from Auburn game. And is playing DE. Still a solid player, not great. Didn't warrant a #5 pick, but is alright.

Al Woods- 4th rounder who played sparingly at LSU. What did you expect?

Wroten- let's just say he has his issues.

Tyson Jackson- never understood why he went so early besides the fact that he can play in a 3-4 and 4-3. Bad pick more than bust, but I'll give him the bust label.

RJF- stud and complete steal in the 7th.

Brockers- injured early on in the year, but when he got back he improved the entire Rams D and all I've read is how highly they think of him and he will be great.

Didn't mention Kyle Williams who is a complete animal.

I'll give you Jackson for a bust, Dorsey is still a average DL.

Can't call Woods a bust, he went in the 4th and was a reach. Nevis has looked good when plays. RJF, Williams, and Brockers are all big time players.

Plus, these players are all different than Mingo in the aspect that they won't be OLBs, which he will be.

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Jordan- think he's the top of these on big boards. Don't let the numbers fool ya. He was used kinda in a joker role. Most upside with the least risk IMO

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Couldn't agree more. Every player has weaknesses, but Jordan is probably the lowest risk out of all of them, and has the highest upside with the most versatility, which is why he will be long gone by 15. And don't let his stats from last year fool you. He was battling injuries for most of the year, and he was used to cover TEs and WRs a lot. If I had my pick out of Jordan, Mingo, Jones, and Ansah, Jordan would easily be my pick.

You rarely find the sure thing pass rushers like Von Miller, Julius Peppers or Mario Williams.

Most have some questions like DeMarcus Ware, JJ Watts, Aldon Smith or Clay Matthews and go closer between the 10-15 picks.

Then there are some guys like Jared Allen and Michael Johnson who come out of nowhere in the third and fourth round.


I think this draft is lacking of that sure thing. But has a couple of guys like Jordan, Jones, Mingo and Ansah who are more in that 5-15 range.

not calling them busts myself, just noting that the amount of them not playing up to how they were touted is sumpin that has made note nationally.

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Williams did anchor that 31st ranked rush defense...so there is that I guess. RJF is a nice player, but he is one amongst a pack of savages...definite talent though. Way too early to tell on what Brockers will do. I certainly wouldn't say his presence improved the entire rams Defense.

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Williams also has been to a few pro bowls and has always been labeled as the most under rated DL in the NFL. If he was on a legit team, you would hear way more about him.

You are dead on about RJF. Playing on a loaded team, but a very talented guy who IMO will turn into there starting DT in a few years.

And the Rams disagree with what you said about Brockers. Everything Ive seen about Brockers has been nothing but positive feedback. Rams said once Brockers got back from injury and was close to 100% healthy he caused chaos from the inside and it freed up the guys all around him. He didnt have great #s or stats, but he was getting alot of attention from other teams and just wrecked havoc. Also, fun fact about Brockers is he just turned 22!

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2. Aldon Smith (Missouri, pre-SEC)

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As I recall, there were the same bust to success ratio discussions surrounding Smith when he declared for the 2011 draft. Many said he was undersized to play DE in a 4-3 in the pros & they questioned his ability to adjust as a 3-4 OLB.

The production in comparsion with Smith & Mingo in their final two years in college are similar as well. Smith had a better season as a redshirt freshman with 60 tackles & 11 sacks while his numbers dropped off his sophomore season to 48 tackles & 6 sacks. Mingo's better season was his sophomore season where he had 47 tackles & 8 sacks which fell this season to 38 tackles & 4.5 sacks.

I think the comparison between Smith & Mingo is legit because their scouting reports heading into the draft were/are very similar, both are freakishly athletic, their measurables are nearly identical & their situations of playing DE in a 4-3 in college while facing the possibly of playing OLB in a 3-4 in the pros.

Vic Fangio, during the week of the Super Bowl, compared how he brought along Smith's transition out of being a 4-3 DE in college to 3-4 OLB with how he brought along Pat Swilling in his first 2 seasons.

Swilling situation was the same as both Smith & Mingo. Swilling was an undersized 4-3 DE coming out Georgia Tech. Just as he did with Smith, Fangio eased Swilling in, using him on obvious passing situations during Swilling's rookie year. The same was done for Smith & it turned out very well as Smith led the NFL in sacks in just his 2nd season.

I believe a similar type of transition for Mingo would be appropriate & beneficial. I know there are many fans who are uneasy about taking a chance on Mingo but IMO, he's the OLB prospect with the biggest upside when it comes to developing into a game changer on the pro level. With his speed, playing at least 9 games per season on an artificial surface (8 home + at Atlanta) will be a plus as well.