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re: I know why the fanbase is so split on Derek Carr
Posted on 2/11/23 at 6:52 am to Chalkywhite84
Posted on 2/11/23 at 6:52 am to Chalkywhite84
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I don't think you are going to see that under mickey loomis. This is their way of doing business. They put dummy years in contracts that don't even need dummy years. It's gotten out of hand at this point.
Agreed and it sucks imo. We’re nowhere near Super Bowl level but still pushing money just to get under the cap likely at the expense of further depth.
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:32 am to Paul Allen
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How would Carr do in an offense without the best RB in the league?
A phenomenal RB like Jacobs helps a QB on so many levels.
so good that they didn’t even pick up his 5th year option
recency bias got ya fricked up
Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:47 am to Paul Allen
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How would Carr do in an offense without the best RB in the league? A phenomenal RB like Jacobs helps a QB on so many levels.
Jacob’s has been trash the last few years and Carr was better.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:53 am to Townedrunkard
Posted on 2/11/23 at 10:05 am to WicKed WayZ
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But it’s also possible Carmichael finds an old grove with a competent QB again and DA keeps the D elite
To be fair it would be the first time Carmichael has ever had success without CSP or Brees. The guy could very likely lost be a decent assistant coach and nothing more.
Our defense is also currently far from elite.
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 10:08 am
Posted on 2/11/23 at 10:28 am to Marrero
Carmichael made Dalton look as good as he has in years.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 10:45 am to stelly1025
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It is the organizations job to put the best product that they can possibly put on the field every year. Carr is the best available QB that we could realistically get.
If he's not REALLY good, then we are absolutely fricked for like 5-7 years. Our cap is in terrible shape and we're going to have to destroy 2024, 2025, and 2026's cap just to fit him in. Then it will take a year after that to start being able to rebuild (similar to today, how we can't even rebuild until 2025 likely)
HUGE risk of doing exactly what you're claiming is their duty, long-term.
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 10:46 am
Posted on 2/11/23 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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If he's not REALLY good
It’s not the fact if he’s REALLY good. It’s if we can get a 4-5 year run out of him like the Ravens got out of Flacco. They made it to the divisional round every year in those 5 years and made it to the AFC Championship 3 times, winning a Super Bowl. Carr comes in and we have that type of success, it’s def worth it
Posted on 2/11/23 at 11:25 am to WicKed WayZ
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It’s not the fact if he’s REALLY good. It’s if we can get a 4-5 year run out of him like the Ravens got out of Flacco.
We don't have that kind of defense (especially after losing Davenport and Onyamata) and the NFL is a lot different today.
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Carr comes in and we have that type of success, it’s def worth it
To have that kind of success, he'll have to play at a level he hasn't in years. That's why it's a huge risk.
If he isn't on that level and we don't perform at at an " annual NFC title contender" level, then we are fricking up this franchise down the road for at least half a decade.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 11:27 am to WicKed WayZ
Wrong. I would like us to build for the future. Trade nothing for Carr, draft online with first pick. 2nd pick Hooker for the future. Then rb, dl,etc
Posted on 2/11/23 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Why give up any picks for a average QB when you have a below average coach. A below average OC. And a below average offense.
If you are just itching to sellout down the road to win a crap Div title then this is a good idea.
If you are just itching to sellout down the road to win a crap Div title then this is a good idea.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 12:07 pm to goatmilker
I don't even care about a 3rd rounder.
It's the contract and the cap shenanigans we will have to do to fit it. There will be long-term issues created to exacerbate our preexisting long-term issues.
It's the contract and the cap shenanigans we will have to do to fit it. There will be long-term issues created to exacerbate our preexisting long-term issues.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the NFL is a lot different today.
What?
The 49ers have been to 3 NFC Championship Games and 1 Super Bowl using a very similar formula. Average QB play. Run the ball and great defense. There’s no reason to think we can’t do something similar
Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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To have that kind of success, he'll have to play at a level he hasn't in years.
Also false. He had two solid years with Gruden and damn bear threw for 5K last year. He also went toe to toe with a team that went to the Super Bowl JUST last year.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:44 pm to WicKed WayZ
I think people just don't want to waste a pick and alot of money. Especially on a coaching staff that might be gone after end of next year. The next staff might not even want him.
If we do get him and team is still arse. I hope we get him after Raiders cut him. Really no excuses not to win NFC south from Allen.
If we do get him and team is still arse. I hope we get him after Raiders cut him. Really no excuses not to win NFC south from Allen.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:54 pm to WicKed WayZ
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The 49ers have been to 3 NFC Championship Games and 1 Super Bowl using a very similar formula. Average QB play. Run the ball and great defense. There’s no reason to think we can’t do something similar
What about our roster, staff, or front office is even remotely equivalent to SF’s?
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:58 pm to St Augustine
That wasn’t the point. The point SFP was making was that teams don’t win like Baltimore used to win. I was saying that simply isn’t true. Hell I’d say 2017 Philly was the same way once Wentz went down. They had the number 1 D and a good running game. 49ers win off running the ball well and playing great D. Do we have a roster as good as theirs? No. But you guys act like we’re trotting a bunch of bums out there. If we nail a couple of drafts, don’t let Carr try and do too much, we can have success.
Jesus Christ if you guys are so doom and gloom then just stay off the board
Jesus Christ if you guys are so doom and gloom then just stay off the board
Posted on 2/11/23 at 2:01 pm to WicKed WayZ
FWIW I agree with you on that being our best option for building in the near term. I just think our staff and Mickey are too damn stupid to do it. I feel like you need a lot of interchangeable depth to play that brand of football well and with all the money moving/can kicking we do that’s going to be hard to come by.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 2:17 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Jesus Christ if you guys are so doom and gloom then just stay off the board
Because only people so far up the team's arse and bleed, shite, and piss black and gold positivity are welcome, huh?
It's a message board, not a circlejerk.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 2:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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HUGE risk of doing exactly what you're claiming is their duty, long-term.
Yeah but if he comes here and balls out we could win a Superbowl. There is no QB right now that we could get that is better. He is better than the other 2 on the roster. If we tank for a rookie that is 2 years wasted and potentially 3-4 more trying to figure out if he can play. Also that being said Dalton can keep us in about middle of the pack as well so no gaurntee we will tank. This is the best option and again trying to tank for a high draft pick is a losers mentality. I think he can win the South for the next 2 years so I hope we get him.
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