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Posted on 12/13/09 at 5:53 pm to xiv
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Nah, a fumble isn't a scoring attempt.
The point I was making was that the end result is irrelevant as to whether something is a good decision. Decisions are made without knowledge of the end result and even if something works out, it doesn't mean that it was the best decision.
Again, if you read my previous post, if you support the call, then you think the chances of scenario 1 occurring were better than the chances of scenario 2.
Posted on 12/13/09 at 6:09 pm to moneyg
2 mins is a lot of time and it wasnt like ATL wasnt moving the ball up and down the field pretty well today.
Payton was playing to win the game and i cant complain about the play calling leading up or the fake fg (which would have worked if Brunell would have executed). A first down wins it, period.
Payton was playing to win the game and i cant complain about the play calling leading up or the fake fg (which would have worked if Brunell would have executed). A first down wins it, period.
Posted on 12/13/09 at 6:13 pm to xiv
I am fine with the call. I have seen too much football where a team goes up by 6 only to lose by 1 at the end. I think "only needing 3" did make Atlanta call plays much more conservatively than had they needed a td. It also made us play more aggressively on D, trying to not give them anything.
Posted on 12/13/09 at 6:17 pm to tigerskin
quote:
I am fine with the call.
i dont see how anyone is fine with the call
a) you send the fattest player on the team out in the route as the main target, past the 1st down marker
b) the only other eligible receiver(Dinkins) doesnt run the route past the 1st down marker
It was a bad call, and a very poorly designed play. It doesnt help that Mark Brunell blows nuts either. Obviously he was hesistant to throw it to Carl Nicks with the defender a step behind him. Not sure why NIcks was out there.
This post was edited on 12/13/09 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 12/13/09 at 6:22 pm to Lester Earl
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b) the only other eligible receiver(Dinkins) doesnt run the route past the 1st down marker
If he quick hits Dinkins early when he should have. Dinkins turns and gets the first.
I didnt understand Nicks. I would have used the TE on the other side and drag across the field with a post.
Posted on 12/13/09 at 6:23 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Do you think the Saints were trying to run up the score?
i dont see how anyone is fine with the call
Posted on 12/13/09 at 6:25 pm to Lester Earl
the play was for deception. I am pretty sure Payton knows Nicks isn't his best receiver. He was hoping they were going to let him run free. Dinkins didn't run the best route. Poor execution versus bad call are 2 different things. If we went up by 6 and Atl went and scored a td, everybody and their brother would be on here saying "I knew we were going to lose by 1." We all bitch for coaches to "play to win." Payton did and we are 13-0.
Posted on 12/13/09 at 6:29 pm to tigerskin
quote:
he play was for deception.
I realize that, but Nicks is fat and slow and even if they dont cover him initially, he is easy to catch up with(exactly what happened).
DInkins ran the route fine, he was pretty much covered initially. I dont thnk he gets the first if they hit him quick.
quote:
Poor execution versus bad call are 2 different things.
I know, which is why I think both were poor. Execution was horrible, and the play call was just bad.
Like I said, if you are gonna fake the FG, you might as well lineup on 4th Down with the best QB in the league and the best offense in the league and go for it.
not have some shitty southpaw fossil try and throw a TD to the fattest player on the team.
Posted on 12/13/09 at 6:36 pm to Lester Earl
I would have been fine with Brees going out there as well. I have seen teams lose too many games with a 6 point lead at the very end. I wasn't interested in seeing a rerun of that story. You know our db's would have been giving that 10 yard cushion crap all the way down the field.
Posted on 12/13/09 at 6:42 pm to Lester Earl
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DInkins ran the route fine, he was pretty much covered initially. I dont thnk he gets the first if they hit him quick.
He was wide open when Brunell got outside of the left side of the line. At least a 5-8 yard cushion and was already 5+ yards downfield. If he throws it right away, Dinkins runs up field and has the 1st down and more before he's touched. The play was exactly what we needed it to be, and Brunell fricked it up badly.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:19 am to Lester Earl
On one hand, we have Sean Payton, an NFL coach who is 12-0 with a 3-point lead. On the other hand, we have
quote:I'll trust Payton's judgment this time.
Lester Earl
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:39 am to Lester Earl
quote:
DInkins ran the route fine, he was pretty much covered initially. I dont thnk he gets the first if they hit him quick
Rewatch the play LE, he was open and easily picks up the first if he quick hits Dinkins.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:50 am to moneyg
There is no way to justify it as a good call, period. In that situation you take the 3 points to go up by 6. By doing so you force atlanta to go down the field and score a TOUCHDOWN. But, by faking the FG now Atalanta only needs a fieldgoal to tie the game and send it to overtime.
Had atlanta actually pulled this one out everybody would be saying it was a terrible call. And it would be replayed on every sports show all week.
Had atlanta actually pulled this one out everybody would be saying it was a terrible call. And it would be replayed on every sports show all week.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:59 am to 12inches
quote:Saints 26
There is no way to justify it as a good call, period.
Falcons 23
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:20 am to 12inches
That's why Payton is smarter than you. Going up by 6 sucks balls. Learn from history.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:23 am to Lester Earl
quote:Correct. You can run PT, or you can throw with a QB that is 31/40 on the day. Both of those options have better odds than letting Brunell throw.
Like I said, if you are gonna fake the FG, you might as well lineup on 4th Down with the best QB in the league and the best offense in the league and go for it.
They should have simply gone for it. If you're stopped, the Falcons still have to go a long field. If you kick the field goal, then there is the possiblity of a long kickoff return and a short field for the Falcons.
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