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Posted on 7/8/20 at 9:26 pm to
Posted by Ebbandflow
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Posted on 7/8/20 at 9:26 pm to
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100 years.

Yet the black population still votes in those very same Democrats almost exclusively.

I hope y'all leave the democratic plantation one day.

Things would get better for all.



Why would they vote for Republicans? You have the alt right, white supremacist, the KKK now endorse has the right oh, David Duke, constant dog whistling from racist conservatives, the Confederate flag... Need I say more? What in the f*** makes you think that a black person would want to vote 4 Republicans? And don't try to use that lame-arse argument about Democrats starting the KKK because that clearly wasn't liberal people. It was clearly southern white conservative people who were at the time called Democrats. Republicans have done more to f*** everyone over who isn't above a certain pay grade.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:05 pm to
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I would love to hear your argument though how liberals have destroyed the black community. I'm really looking forward to pushing your s*** right down your throat


Rent control has increased homelessness
Opposition to school choice leaves minorities trapped in failing schools
Abortion, millions of blacks have been murdered via abortion
Policies giving more money to poor folks who have more babies has been a detriment to minorities and whites
Gun control, most blacks are law abiding citizens who can’t get a gun in liberal run cities to protect themselves


Democrats support generational welfare programs that enslave black people by sending the message that they are victims and inferior and therefore require ongoing, long term hand-outs. Democrats social welfare programs incentivize people to have children out of wedlock, causing immeasurable harm to the nuclear family.

High taxes
Open borders where minorities have to compete for jobs against illegal immigrants. I’m Guatemalan and I’m still for border security.

Drug enforcement, and I’m not talking about weed. Other than meth, blacks are dying at a higher rate than any other race from drug overdoses


Let’s go with what’s happening now. Defunding the police. As a fire/medic. I’ve watched police save more black lives in the last 2 months than you’ve read about them killing your entire life. Police actually do save lives whether you agree or not and save black lives at a much higher rate than whites in cities where the ethnic groups are in around the same percent. In cities where blacks and whites are nearly split blacks call police for help much more so than even whites do. Also ems, most of their calls are in minority neighborhoods, in violent situations, attempted suicides, overdoses, ems cannot go in until police secure a scene. Defunding the police is anti black lives matter, people who want to defund the police actually hate black people, whether they or black or not I don’t care

Conservatives over the last 4 years

Lowest black unemployment in history
Most money given to black universities than ever before and a 10 year guarantee instead of the previous 1 year guarantee
Trying to secure the border
Least amount of blacks on food stamps than ever before
Biggest criminal justice reform in history. More blacks freed from prisons than ever before
Black peoples life expectancies actually went up more than ever before
Freedom zones targeting minority areas for jobs

Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:58 pm to
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Rent control has increased homelessness


I'm going to need some citations to back up that claim.

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Opposition to school choice leaves minorities trapped in failing schools


Oh yeah because inner city kids have a great opportunity to hitch a ride to whatever school they want. Even if they could get whatever they want you think they have the means to do so? It seems like you don't understand poverty very well.

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Abortion, millions of blacks have been murdered via abortion


So you think poor families should have more children? I also don't consider aborting a fetus murder just like I don't look at an egg and call it a chicken.

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Policies giving more money to poor folks who have more babies has been a detriment to minorities and whites


Interesting. See you think that they shouldn't have more kids but you're against them having abortions. So no one should help them abort any children that would become a burden potentially but offering them incentive to take care of the ones they do is somehow crippling? Do you even hear how stupid your argument is? I would at least think that you would contradict yourself a few paragraphs apart instead of one sentence.

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Gun control, most blacks are law abiding citizens who can’t get a gun in liberal run cities to protect themselves


What in God's name are you talking about? Yes because Americans don't have enough access to guns LOL. Get real

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Democrats support generational welfare programs that enslave black people by sending the message that they are victims and inferior and therefore require ongoing, long term hand-outs.


This is a fallacious right-wing talking point that's been passed on and on and is as factual as us only using 10% of our brain. Made up facts won't help your case any. It just makes you look ignorant and too lazy to look up the real numbers or causation. There is literally zero evidence to support your claims and you wouldn't even know which welfare programs. People can't just get handouts for anything they want. But even if it were true, based on your logic, not helping a poor struggling family at all with any social programs is only going to help them. Very interesting point of view. A point of view that lacks empathy entirely.

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Democrats social welfare programs incentivize people to have children out of wedlock, causing immeasurable harm to the nuclear family.


This is absolutely false. I see you guys love to use that argument all the time and Candace Owens like using it but it isn't rooted in any facts. Stall just made up garbage that is actually incredibly insulting to black women. You and all of the other idiot right-wing people that believe this deserve to be slapped in the back of the head. Do you honestly believe that these women are just getting tons of money to have children out of wedlock and are eager to raise children by themselves and be a struggling single mother? That is just the stupidest f****** thing I've ever heard and you should be ashamed of yourself for even believing it. You're supposing that black women are too stupid to know better and that they really desire living a life of poverty and getting there f*** on without needing a man. Absolutely f****** retarded and should feel ashamed of yourself.

I find it convenient that you left out the War on Drugs and how many black men that locked up. All four small amounts of possession mostly. You also left out the fact that black people haven't been able to pass equity on to each other from generation to generation due to laws and Banks not lending black people money until fairly recently. These are things that I can back up and show you unlike the things that you are saying would you have absolutely nothing to back up except for some other idiot saying the same thing. Black people have been swept under the rug, gerrymandered into Oblivion by the Republican Party, ignored by lenders, and white people who are conservative and racist have destroyed every time that they have built something. Look at the Tulsa Massacre.

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High taxes


So you're going to claim that they get financial assistance and are taxed at an extraordinary high rate? Come on man now you're just being lazy. You got to hear how dumb that sounds. If anything, many of those black people we're working hard for some billionaire to make a fortune and then Lobby against their interests.

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Open borders where minorities have to compete for jobs against illegal immigrants. I’m Guatemalan and I’m still for border security.


The borders have been the same way they are since the beginning of the country. People can come here legally and choose not to go back. It would just be a temporary setback for them to do so. And I don't see any American citizens lining up to go pick fruit or construct buildings. It just doesn't happen very often. No one is taking jobs from black folks. I see later that you argued that the unemployment rate was extraordinary Lilo for black people. Now how can you also say that their jobs are being taken while saying that? You seriously should have reviewed what you typed before hitting send.

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Drug enforcement, and I’m not talking about weed. Other than meth, blacks are dying at a higher rate than any other race from drug overdoses



Yeah and you should look into how that happened and which party really cracked down on black communities and flooded their neighborhoods with crack. You might be amazed. I'll give you a hint. He called Africans monkeys.

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Let’s go with what’s happening now. Defunding the police. As a fire/medic. I’ve watched police save more black lives in the last 2 months than you’ve read about them killing your entire life. Police actually do save lives whether you agree or not and save black lives at a much higher rate than whites in cities where the ethnic groups are in around the same percent. In cities where blacks and whites are nearly split blacks call police for help much more so than even whites do. Also ems, most of their calls are in minority neighborhoods, in violent situations, attempted suicides, overdoses, ems cannot go in until police secure a scene. Defunding the police is anti black lives matter, people who want to defund the police actually hate black people, whether they or black or not I don’t care


Defunding the police is about having police less involved in things like pulling people over in order to make money for their Department. Police are way too involved in our everyday life. I think anybody would agree with that. Every time I go out of the country to a different country I don't see anywhere near the police presence and there definitely are cops hiding on the side of buildings waiting to pull people over for going 3 miles an hour over the speed limit. Or for rolling through a stop sign where nobody was coming in any direction. Cops pull people over to fund their own existence and we don't need that many cops. We just need the ones to respond to actual incidents. We don't need to be treated like children and constantly pulled over where the cops start feeling like predators and we start feeling like prey. You obviously don't understand what any of that means.

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Lowest black unemployment in history


First off measuring unemployment numbers is an imperfect science but even if you are correct 4 years into Obama's presidency those numbers continued on a positive trend all the way into Trump's first two years. Just like the first few years of Obama's administration was hit hard by the recession left by George W bush and Republican control. You know, the Republicans that leave the economy in a recession every single time they leave the presidency.

Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:58 pm to
Some of the other things you named are a step in the right direction for sure but this is the same president who dog whistles to racists and supports Confederate monuments even though people say they don't want them around. We are talking about blacks going to the party of white supremacists, watering of the Confederate flag, David Duke and the KKK, and corporate welfare to go along with tax breaks for the rich.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38230 posts
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:47 pm to
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We are talking about blacks going to the party of white supremacists, watering of the Confederate flag, David Duke and the KKK, and corporate welfare to go along with tax breaks for the rich.


I bet you believe in the tooth fairy, as well.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:10 am to
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It seems like you don't understand poverty very well.


If you only knew, and I guarantee much more so then you’ve ever experienced

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So you think poor families should have more children? I also don't consider aborting a fetus murder just like I don't look at an egg and call it a chicken.

Maybe they can have protected sex like millions of people do. I’ve delivered many babies, have you? I’ve seen live fetuses before, in a bathtub, living room floors, etc.

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Interesting. See you think that they shouldn't have more kids but you're against them having abortions. So no one should help them abort any children that would become a burden potentially but offering them incentive to take care of the ones they do is somehow crippling? Do you even hear how stupid your argument is? I would at least think that you would contradict yourself a few paragraphs apart instead of one sentence

I think the woman and man should marry when they have a child and support them. If they need govt help then sure, but once they find a job get off of it, and govt aid shouldn’t be lifelong, for any race:

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What in God's name are you talking about? Yes because Americans don't have enough access to guns LOL. Get real

Law abiding citizens in Chicago have a damn hard time getting guns for protection

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But even if it were true, based on your logic, not helping a poor struggling family at all with any social programs is only going to help them. Very interesting point of view. A point of view that lacks empathy entirely.

Just you repeating yourself and I’ve answered this. They should be helped until they can get on their own. If able bodied they shouldn’t be helped the entire time they have kids, that’s all races, whites can be just as bad or worse

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This is absolutely false. I see you guys love to use that argument all the time and Candace Owens like using it but it isn't rooted in any facts. Stall just made up garbage that is actually incredibly insulting to black women. You and all of the other idiot right-wing people that believe this deserve to be slapped in the back of the head. Do you honestly believe that these women are just getting tons of money to have children out of wedlock and are eager to raise children by themselves and be a struggling single mother? That is just the stupidest f****** thing I've ever heard and you should be ashamed of yourself for even believing it. You're supposing that black women are too stupid to know better and that they really desire living a life of poverty and getting there f*** on without needing a man. Absolutely f****** retarded and should feel ashamed of yourself.


I haven’t watched Candace Owens. Yes I personally know many blacks, Hispanics, and whites who have more kids to get more money. Also who’s dads of their children have no interest in their kids, which is way more rampant in minority communities.

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So you're going to claim that they get financial assistance and are taxed at an extraordinary high rate? Come on man now you're just being lazy. You got to hear how dumb that sounds. If anything, many of those black people we're working hard for some billionaire to make a fortune and then Lobby against their interests.

I’m considered low class, these last tax cuts definitely helped me. Also, blacks are business owners also, they could use more of their own money

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The borders have been the same way they are since the beginning of the country. People can come here legally and choose not to go back. It would just be a temporary setback for them to do so. And I don't see any American citizens lining up to go pick fruit or construct buildings. It just doesn't happen very often. No one is taking jobs from black folks. I see later that you argued that the unemployment rate was extraordinary Lilo for black people. Now how can you also say that their jobs are being taken while saying that? You seriously should have reviewed what you typed before hitting send.


No shite, we finally started fixing our borders and protecting them along with Mexico govt keeping people from leaving. That’s not Trump saying that, the Mexican President stayed that. And yes, blacks will do the same job Hispanics will

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Defunding the police is about having police less involved in things like pulling people over in order to make money for their Department.

Liberal leaders are stating the opposite. They are actually asking to get rid of the police.

Yes my writing may have been lazy, doing all this on a phone is hard. 50% of your post was insults and the other 50% was your opinion. Look up rent control and homelessness, if not I’ll send several links tomorrow when I’m back to a laptop. I saw your post about the economy in which you said Bush was bad and basically Trump ran off Obama success. I find that funny, especially since I voted Obama. Your post about African monkeys is just stupid.

You did nothing, you called me names, which is fine, and everything else was your opinion. I was a Democrat my entire life, I’m not anymore. If you disagree that’s fine. But the Democratic Party is not good for minorities.

As far as the confederate flag, I don’t care anything about it. Trump has already said you start letting people tear those down they’ll go after Washington and Lincoln, it happened. You let the states decide to take them down. Trump isn’t pro confederacy and you know that, you won’t admit it, but you know it.

Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64124 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 9:40 am to
Your a paid hack troll. Your set ups are way to obvious and someone should get their money back
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
22040 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 9:59 am to
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to have finished dealing with something, so that you do not have to think about it anymore.


Can't say I really have.

Usually by now I am in anticipation of the preseason, wondering what the team will look like this year, if we have any shot at winning it all, who I'm going to draft on a fantasy team, etc. I've honestly not really thought about any of that much at all since the end of last season. The asskissing and bowing down is just another dagger.
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Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
72431 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 10:44 am to
WHY THE frick DO YOU THINK LBJ said he would have blacks voting democrat for 200 years??? while it is no excuse as people were not forced to use these prgrams the failed GREAT SOCIETY WAR ON POVERTY kept many blacks on the democrat plantation.

KKK basically extinct now and founded by democrats.

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white supremacist


yeah look at all those rioters who are white supremacists...oh wait those are BLM and ANTIFA communists!

EPIC FAIL CLOWN


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It was clearly southern white conservative people who were at the time called Democrats.


The whole party switch theory by you losers has been debunked. They were good old racist democrats. like many now. keep telling yourself that dumbass. prager U debunked the party switch theory. keep your head up your arse. here i will ink it for u

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This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 10:47 am
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:01 pm to
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Maybe they can have protected sex like millions of people do. I’ve delivered many babies, have you? I’ve seen live fetuses before, in a bathtub, living room floors, etc.


You know Planned Parenthood, that same organization that you say murders babies, also prevents many others from Ever Getting to abortion by giving out contraception. Something to think about next time you start criticizing.

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think the woman and man should marry when they have a child and support them. If they need govt help then sure, but once they find a job get off of it, and govt aid shouldn’t be lifelong, for any race:


Who says it is lifelong for certain races? It seems like you're just taking made up information and letting it run your imagination. I'm sorry if you think that's insulting but you say that I'm talking out of my arse using opinions. From where I'm sitting you keep making these claims and the burden of proof is on you. You're trying to explain why liberals have destroyed black culture and you're doing a very poor job at it. You have no citations or sources and you're just making things up as you go along or borrowing from things you heard other people say.

I notice you keep avoiding answering me directly. I'm asking you to show me how the social programs destroyed the black community and to give me very specific examples and I want you to use numbers showing me how many of these people are able to get these benefits. They don't just hand them out, you know.

The truth is you ran your mouth about something where you are completely out of your depth and I called you out on it.

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Law abiding citizens in Chicago have a damn hard time getting guns for protection



Oh really? I can find a gun Wherever Whenever. And you're using Chicago as the only example and you still don't even have any proof for that. You tried to say that liberals were destroying black communities and using this is an example and you still haven't proven that. It's just you making up more things to prove your point.

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Just you repeating yourself and I’ve answered this. They should be helped until they can get on their own. If able bodied they shouldn’t be helped the entire time they have kids, that’s all races, whites can be just as bad or worse



I'll remember to go tell those single mothers raising children on their own that you think that they should get more jobs than they already have. Again this is you just talking out of your arse. You're acting like it's so widespread and rampant when it isn't. Most people and those poor communities have jobs. What they also have is constant police Crackdown for minor things and it landed them in a lot of financial trouble.

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haven’t watched Candace Owens. Yes I personally know many blacks, Hispanics, and whites who have more kids to get more money. Also who’s dads of their children have no interest in their kids, which is way more rampant in minority communities.


Yeah it turns out that poor disenfranchised communities don't do very well when it comes to family unit. That's regardless of any race. Turns out we should be helping our poor communities and not giving giant tax breaks to the wealthy. Maybe there shouldn't have been Redline districts and constant cracking down but instead more money for education in those specific areas. More community outreach programs. Or at least make the ones that we have better.

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I’m considered low class, these last tax cuts definitely helped me. Also, blacks are business owners also, they could use more of their own money


The bottom 20% doesn't pay any taxes. I don't know what you're talking about but again I'm going to need to see some numbers. Also, those tax cuts were short term solution and are not sustainable. Before covid-19 Trump was already on Pace to outspend every single president in a for your fan while also cutting taxes. Doesn't take a genius to see that that isn't a sustainable proposition. But hey he sure helped all those big companies get those small business loans.

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Liberal leaders are stating the opposite. They are actually asking to get rid of the police.


Nope

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You did nothing, you called me names, which is fine, and everything else was your opinion. I was a Democrat my entire life, I’m not anymore. If you disagree that’s fine. But the Democratic Party is not good for minorities.

As far as the confederate flag, I don’t care anything about it. Trump has already said you start letting people tear those down they’ll go after Washington and Lincoln, it happened. You let the states decide to take them down. Trump isn’t pro confederacy and you know that, you won’t admit it, but you know it.


Trump is definitely a racist and I can prove it. You can listen to his own words and his constant dog whistling for the alt right.

Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:25 pm to
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Your a paid hack


See this is a classic example of you being a gullible person. You actually believe that I get paid to address you as if you matter enough for someone to pay for. You're a hopeless case who has been incredibly indoctrinated by Alt right media and a lifelong bias against liberals. You haven't said one meaningful thing but you sure are here to comment on how the NFL and black community don't deserve your attention
Posted by blueboxer1119
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:35 pm to
If allowed, I'll be at first game.



To kneel for black national anthem, stand for the real one, then leave.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:53 pm to
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You know Planned Parenthood, that same organization that you say murders babies


Well they do, or once did

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Who says it is lifelong for certain races? It seems like you're just taking made up information and letting it run your imagination. I'm sorry if you think that's insulting but you say that I'm talking out of my arse using opinions. From where I'm sitting you keep making these claims and the burden of proof is on you. You're trying to explain why liberals have destroyed black culture and you're doing a very poor job at it. You have no citations or sources and you're just making things up as you go along or borrowing from things you heard other people say.

I notice you keep avoiding answering me directly. I'm asking you to show me how the social programs destroyed the black community and to give me very specific examples and I want you to use numbers showing me how many of these people are able to get these benefits. They don't just hand them out, you know.



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the 2 above are about marriage and the black community.

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The truth is you ran your mouth about something where you are completely out of your depth and I called you out on it.



I know you don't really believe this.

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Oh really? I can find a gun Wherever Whenever. And you're using Chicago as the only example and you still don't even have any proof for that. You tried to say that liberals were destroying black communities and using this is an example and you still haven't proven that. It's just you making up more things to prove your point.



There are plenty of states where it's difficult to get guns

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I'll remember to go tell those single mothers raising children on their own that you think that they should get more jobs than they already have. Again this is you just talking out of your arse. You're acting like it's so widespread and rampant when it isn't. Most people and those poor communities have jobs. What they also have is constant police Crackdown for minor things and it landed them in a lot of financial trouble.



A single mother raising children on their own should receive help if she qualifies. Also, the dad of those children should be there helping, living in the same house as those children are. I never said women taking advantage of it was rampant, but it is common, when I grew up knowing many women who did it. But single mothers raising their kids alone, is rampant, in the black community.

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The bottom 20% doesn't pay any taxes. I don't know what you're talking about but again I'm going to need to see some numbers. Also, those tax cuts were short term solution and are not sustainable. Before covid-19 Trump was already on Pace to outspend every single president in a for your fan while also cutting taxes. Doesn't take a genius to see that that isn't a sustainable proposition. But hey he sure helped all those big companies get those small business loans.


I'm supposed to show you my paycheck? You know when Obamacare hit, I lost $80 a month on my paycheck, deductible went from $500 a person to $4,000 a person. 2 dental cleanings to one, and still pay half, along with prescription from $250 to $2,000 deductible per person. Even our democratic mayor said Obamacare was the main cause of this as did the insurance company. And no, I wasn't allowed to get on the exchange, we tried. Trumps tax cuts got me an extra $60 a month and I'm very appreciative of that, I have 4 kids.

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Nope


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Trump is definitely a racist and I can prove it.

Prove it


Also, are you black?

These are just some links, I tried to link more studies or links to studies. I tried to avoid websites you'd say are fake or biased which was easy enough. I wish I could remember a study I read in HS from the 90s done by inner city black professors and they did good research showing the consequences when people stay on welfare, especially when there usually are better options, especially in the long run.

As far as who said it's lifelong for certain races, I don't know what you mean. People of all races have been stuck on welfare most of their lives. I'm not saying most people are, but it's the case in all races.

I haven't let my imagination take up anything, and no need to apologize for insults, I told you they don't bother me. I've done a great job of explaining why they've destroyed black culture but you can look at that yourself. Go to just about any liberal city and see the crime, poverty, unemployment (especially before Trump) and tell me what those democratic mayors have done for those people over the last 50 years? And for the most part, democratic city councils, and democratic governors. Absolutely nothing. Look at the lead water crisis in Flint, complete incompetence by democratic, ALL democratic leaders. That's rampant in the democratic communities. Blacks can do better than that and deserve better. Trump brought nothing but success to blacks in an extremely short time. Something most democratic lawmakers couldn't do for 50 years.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72431 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:06 pm to
social programs killed drive and initiative. holy shite woman look it up. see how the war on poverty failed. what demographic do you think has the highest % on social services? i will give you 3 guesses and the 1st two do not count. you are willfully dishonest and ignorant
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:09 pm to
We can get carried away as far as racist politicians. You brought up David Duke earlier, someone who hasn't been relevant in 30 years and wasn't respected all that much then. He got his arse beat by the worst state governor candidate in our state's history in Edwards

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I should add that blacks for the most part are highly religous, another subject liberals are trying to attack that impacts blacks.

I'll leave out the comments Biden has made about blacks and the awful pandering Hillary did towards blacks. That pretty much most liberal white politicians do when they need the black vote.
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Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:26 pm to
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the 2 above are about marriage and the black community.



"As the imperative to marry has fallen, alongside other changes in the economy that have increased women’s economic contributions to the household, socioeconomic standing has become increasingly important for marriage. Race continues to be associated with economic disadvantage, and thus as economic factors have become more relevant to marriage and marital stability, the racial gap in marriage has grown."

That's from one of your own links. Economic disparity seems to be the gist of the article.

"Four experimental and quasi-experimental studies, all rated as strong (n?=?4), found that efforts to limit the receipt of social assistance or reduce its generosity (also known as welfare reform) were associated with adverse health trends.

Conclusions
Evidence from the existing literature suggests that social assistance programs in high-income countries are failing to maintain the health of socioeconomically disadvantaged populations. These findings may in part reflect the influence of residual confounding due to unobserved characteristics that distinguish recipients from non-recipients. They may also indicate that the scope and generosity of existing programs are insufficient to offset the negative health consequences of severe socioeconomic disadvantage."

Sounds like we need to make them better. This completely flies in the face of your assertion.

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There are plenty of states where it's difficult to get guns



Riiiiiiggggghhht


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A single mother raising children on their own should receive help if she qualifies. Also, the dad of those children should be there helping, living in the same house as those children are. I never said women taking advantage of it was rampant, but it is common, when I grew up knowing many women who did it. But single mothers raising their kids alone, is rampant, in the black community.


You failed to make the correlation between progressive programs and the father's lack of participation. You can move the goalposts if you like but it's not going to make a difference.

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I'm supposed to show you my paycheck? You know when Obamacare hit, I lost $80 a month on my paycheck, deductible went from $500 a person to $4,000 a person. 2 dental cleanings to one, and still pay half, along with prescription from $250 to $2,000 deductible per person. Even our democratic mayor said Obamacare was the main cause of this as did the insurance company. And no, I wasn't allowed to get on the exchange, we tried. Trumps tax cuts got me an extra $60 a month and I'm very appreciative of that, I have 4 kids.


That's just going to come out of later money that you make. Trump's budget are going to be much more harmful

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As far as who said it's lifelong for certain races, I don't know what you mean. People of all races have been stuck on welfare most of their lives. I'm not saying most people are, but it's the case in all races.


Saying "welfare" is too vague. I don't think it's very easy for people to Simply live off of government assistance or to obtain it very easily.

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Trump brought nothing but success to blacks in an extremely short time. Something most democratic lawmakers couldn't do for 50 years.


Yeah specially with all of his speaking out against black people kneeling and dog whistling white nationalists. Also defending the Confederate flag. I would like to see your detailed description of how he is economically helped the black community so much. I wouldn't say they are doing very well right now economically and Democrats have been battling Republicans on a national scale for years with Republicans always trying to make Cuts education and social programs that would help.

Alt right and Trump racism:

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Muslim bigotry:
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Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:31 pm to
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social programs killed drive and initiative. holy shite woman look it up. see how the war on poverty failed. what demographic do you think has the highest % on social services? i will give you 3 guesses and the 1st two do not count. you are willfully dishonest and ignorant


You think social programs hurt the black community more than overly cracking down with police, Redline districts, laws against giving them loans up until the 70s making it hard for them to build equity, racial biases in society, and gerrymandering their votes out of mattering? Boy that's a bold claim. You don't seem like you actually have any clue what you're talking about and it's also quite interesting that you believe the black community as a whole is on Welfare
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 1:41 pm
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:49 pm to
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Sounds like we need to make them better. This completely flies in the face of your assertion.

It means we need more fathers in minority households being fathers and not leaving mothers to be single moms.


"Today’s racial and ethnic differences in children’s family experiences are striking. In 2014, 70 percent of non-Hispanic white children (ages 0–18) and roughly 59 percent of Hispanic children were living with both of their biological parents. The same was true for only a little more than one-third of black children.1 Although many children raised in single-parent households thrive and prosper, at the population level, single-parent families are associated with poorer outcomes for children, such as low educational attainment and teen childbearing.2 Some social scientists argue that single-parent families may harm children’s development directly, by reducing fathers’ and mothers’ ability to invest in their children. Others suggest that common factors, such as economic distress, contribute both to family instability and to developmental problems in children.3 That is, in this view, family structure itself is not the source of children’s disadvantages. Regardless, even if many single-parent families function well and produce healthy children, population-level differences in family stability are associated with distress for both parents and children"

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Riiiiiiggggghhht


LINK

Look up California and Illinois gun laws. Even Connecticut iirc

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You failed to make the correlation between progressive programs and the father's lack of participation. You can move the goalposts if you like but it's not going to make a difference

I haven't moved a goal post. A father's lack of participation and a mother having more kids equals more welfare, that's never a good thing.

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That's just going to come out of later money that you make. Trump's budget are going to be much more harmful

We will see, right now it's making up somewhat, for money lost during ObamaCare

You didn't really post those videos and expect me to take those seriously did you? It was mostly some random people's opinions of Trump. It was quick clips of something he said in a speech without adding what he said right before or right after. I'm asking for you to give proof of Trump being racist. You keep asking me for links. You provided me with YT links of other people saying Trump is racist.

I'll ask again, are you black?



Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:55 pm to
You never commented on my other post below the last one you replied to. If liberal policies are good, then why are the vast majority of areas run by liberals in poverty, poor education, poor infrastructure, and high crime? Is it President Trump's fault? Why is an incredible amount of money being thrown at inner city schools, while rural white schools are being shut down, yet those inner city schools are still failing? Most of them being run by democratic leadership.
Posted by Mrwhodat
Member since Dec 2015
10296 posts
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:59 pm to
Probably no fans or even a game.

Large portion of the crowd leaving would be a nice optic.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 2:06 pm
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