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re: Fair to say that Saints are free-agent geniuses, but missed some 1st rds?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:06 pm to alajones
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:06 pm to alajones
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he should be in his prime and dominating.
He's come into his prime in other facets of his game but he's lost a bit of a step in coverage with some tread on his tires.
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:08 pm to Breesus
quote:White's stats are much better than Colston, sorry.
no it isnt. Gameplay, stats, and rings are in Colston's favor
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:09 pm to Hung like Mule
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:10 pm to Chad504boy
We're arguing opinions at this point. IMO, someone who has only been in the league 6 years shouldn't be past his prime and can't blame poor performance on age. He isn't even 30.
This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:12 pm to Breesus
Work filter blocking your Link.... sorry cant see
Did you notice the stats I posted btw?
Did you notice the stats I posted btw?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:17 pm to Hung like Mule
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2009 Malcolm Jenkins (No, was a liability this year's playoffs) 2008 Sedrick Ellis (No, I never did like this pick)
Sed Ellis is an excellant young DT
Malcolm Jenkins is one of the top young safeties in the game
Your an idiot
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:19 pm to P bean
quote:The expectation for a top 10 DL pick is to be a dominating force. He isn't. He is going into his 5th year. We will see.
Sed Ellis is an excellant young DT
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:20 pm to Hung like Mule
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But if you look at Falcons, I would say their 1st round picks were better: (does not account for draft position though)..
2005 Roddy White
2007 Jamaal Anderson
2008 Ryan, Matt
2008 Sam Baker
2009 Peria Jerry
2010 Sean Wetherspoon
2011 Julio Jones
2005 Roddy White - good pick
2007 Jamaal Anderson - awful
2008 Ryan, Matt - good pick
2008 Sam Baker - awful
2009 Peria Jerry - awful
2010 Sean Wetherspoon - good pick
2011 Julio Jones - good player but gave up WAY too much
Let's take in to account the Falcons epic busts in free agency and anything past the first round
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:20 pm to alajones
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We're arguing opinions at this point. IMO, someone who has only been in the league 6 years shouldn't be past his prime and can't blame poor performance on age. He isn't even 30.
His past 3 seasons are statistically better than his 1st three seasons. He's only past his prime in turns of coverage speed, the rest of his game has improved and he is in his prime. We know his weak spot in his game, dude tries to make up for it with other skills.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:20 pm to P bean
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Sed Ellis is an excellant young DT
quote:
Malcolm Jenkins is one of the top young safeties in the game
Meh..I like Malcolm. One or two bad games doesn't define him IMO
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Your an idiot
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:22 pm to alajones
What was the original thread title?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:24 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:It was "poor at drafting" or something like that. Was not what I intended. I just wanted to discuss 1st round picks.
What was the original thread title?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:30 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Meh. I think he has gone downhill since the Seattle game.
His past 3 seasons are statistically better than his 1st three seasons. He's only past his prime in turns of coverage speed, the rest of his game has improved and he is in his prime. We know his weak spot in his game, dude tries to make up for it with other skills.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:38 pm to alajones
kinda late to this discussion, looks like peeps have addressed all the relevant points. i'd just add...
-the further drafts are in the past the more hindsight becomes 20/20.
-the question about players is not "who would have been better to draft?"- that is easy to figure out 3-5 years later. The question is was there a viable option that you thought was better at that time?
I'll look at the 1st Rders in that light...
Reggie- no, everyone thought we were getting an all world player.
Meachem- yes, at the time I thought the selection was going to be TE Greg Olsen who ended up pretty good. I had Posluszny ahead of Meachem too. Either one of those would have been better. We wouldn't have got Vilma or Graham prolly in that case tho.
Ellis- no, was the BPA and met the need at the time. Interesting note: to move up 3 spots we flipped 3rd & 5th Rd picks with NE. That 5th rd pick ended up being Carl MF Nicks.
Jenkins- no, he was an absolute BPA that you have to take. I want more out of him but think he is still was the right choice. Payton actually said if he wouldn't have been there that Brian Cushing would have been the pick.
Robinson- I might have thought Daryl Washington would have been better at the time. If PRob is the opening day starter this year then Loomis trumps the armchair GMs. A lot of people wanted Sergio Kindle then too. Has he played a down yet?
Jordan/Ingram- too early to have any idea on these guys but I only see upside still. I was ecstatic to get him at #24. Looking at the next ten or so picks there's none that would have been any better. Ingram has caught flak cuz of the trade. Let's see what he does with a 200+ carry year before judging too much.
I'd say most fans of other teams would be thrilled to have a FO that only whiffed 1 out of 7 1st Rders. -and Meachem is no total bust, just didn't live up to 1st Rd expectations.
-the further drafts are in the past the more hindsight becomes 20/20.
-the question about players is not "who would have been better to draft?"- that is easy to figure out 3-5 years later. The question is was there a viable option that you thought was better at that time?
I'll look at the 1st Rders in that light...
Reggie- no, everyone thought we were getting an all world player.
Meachem- yes, at the time I thought the selection was going to be TE Greg Olsen who ended up pretty good. I had Posluszny ahead of Meachem too. Either one of those would have been better. We wouldn't have got Vilma or Graham prolly in that case tho.
Ellis- no, was the BPA and met the need at the time. Interesting note: to move up 3 spots we flipped 3rd & 5th Rd picks with NE. That 5th rd pick ended up being Carl MF Nicks.
Jenkins- no, he was an absolute BPA that you have to take. I want more out of him but think he is still was the right choice. Payton actually said if he wouldn't have been there that Brian Cushing would have been the pick.
Robinson- I might have thought Daryl Washington would have been better at the time. If PRob is the opening day starter this year then Loomis trumps the armchair GMs. A lot of people wanted Sergio Kindle then too. Has he played a down yet?
Jordan/Ingram- too early to have any idea on these guys but I only see upside still. I was ecstatic to get him at #24. Looking at the next ten or so picks there's none that would have been any better. Ingram has caught flak cuz of the trade. Let's see what he does with a 200+ carry year before judging too much.
I'd say most fans of other teams would be thrilled to have a FO that only whiffed 1 out of 7 1st Rders. -and Meachem is no total bust, just didn't live up to 1st Rd expectations.
This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:42 pm to blueslover
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Meachem- yes, at the time I thought the selection was going to be TE Greg Olsen who ended up pretty good. I had Posluszny ahead of Meachem too. Either one of those would have been better. We wouldn't have got Vilma or Graham prolly in that case tho.
only quibble i have woth your post is that they would not have drafted Graham. If they had Olson, they wouldn't have traded for Shockey, but no reason to think they don;t take Graham in the 3rd.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:48 pm to blueslover
quote:I've been saying this since that afternoon. I also disagree about Graham. We still get him even if we have Olsen. Posluzny would have been a better pick here also.
Meachem- yes, at the time I thought the selection was going to be TE Greg Olsen who ended up pretty good. I had Posluszny ahead of Meachem too. Either one of those would have been better. We wouldn't have got Vilma or Graham prolly in that case tho.
While Meachem hasn't been a "bust", it isn't unreasonable to say that he didn't fill a need at the time. BPA is arguable, and we could have done just as well with someone else at WR instead of him.
I agree with everyhting else.
This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:50 pm to alajones
if we don't get jenkins and meachem,we lose to redskins and cowboys those years.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:52 pm to Breesus
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2011 Mark Ingram (too early to tell)
2011 Cameron Jordan (Yes)
2010 Patrick Robinson (Yes)
2009 Malcolm Jenkins (The best and most important player on this list, a great safety and a huge reason we won the Superbowl as a CB)
2008 Sedrick Ellis (Hasnt been terrible, has potential, couldve been the scheme or the DC, def overpaid though)
2007 Robert Meachem (Stretches the field, has had some great catches, Redskins game fumble, not a terrible receiver)
2006 Reggie Bush (Absolutely yes. The guy was an incredible punt returner and a huge reason we won the Cardinals game and made it to the Superbowl. We replaced him with Sproles(who is better), but i believe he was worth the pick)
This. I'm not a big fan or Ellis or Meachem, but they aren't busts or anything.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:55 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Love Jenkins.
if we don't get jenkins and meachem,we lose to redskins and cowboys those years.
I don't see how those games made or broke us those seasons.
This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 2/6/12 at 1:56 pm to Suntiger
quote:Ellis is close.
This. I'm not a big fan or Ellis or Meachem, but they aren't busts or anything.
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