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re: Ever since Drew signs for 100 mil and 60 mil guaranteed...
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:35 am to DeathValley85
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:35 am to DeathValley85
Yeah and no one to throw it to in the redzone
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:36 am to mrPresident
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How can we field a team with quality players if we have no money to pay??
Per Overthecap, the top contracts for QBs are:
A Rodgers: $22M/yr
R Wilson: $21.9M
Roethlisberger: $21.85M
Eli: $21M
Rivers: $20.8125M
Newton: $20.76M
Ryan: $20.75M
Flacco: $20.1M
Brees: $20M
So Brees is 9th on the list and 3 QBs higher than him are on undefeated teams so far this season. Something tells me the size of Brees' contract is not the issue.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:38 am to mrPresident
You realize the Jimmy trade cost us cap space in 2015?
Free agency acquisitions and bad drafts have crippled this team. Look at all the dead money and what we're paying Jahri and Colston
Free agency acquisitions and bad drafts have crippled this team. Look at all the dead money and what we're paying Jahri and Colston
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:40 am to Breesus
You mean he wasn't worth the money y'all paid him. On paper, yes it was trade rape. In reality, the Saints defense got better and the offense took a huge step back. Jimmy Graham was a 100% lock hall of fame TE in yalls system. Seattle can't replicate his production, but the Saints can't replace his production either.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:41 am to LSUZombie
You have it all wrong.
It's Brees' fault when he has no one to throw to, or no one to block for him
It's Brees' fault when he has no one to throw to, or no one to block for him
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:42 am to mrPresident
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But you can't ignore the fact that Matt Ryan is playing LEAPS and BOUNDS better than brees
Then you also should not ignore the fact that the Dirty Birds were pretty bad for a couple years (with Ryan as their QB) and drafted a stud offensive line man and other good young players.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:44 am to TexasTiger6777
And have the best WR in football
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:44 am to mrPresident
Ryan: 6 TDs 4 Ints 90.6 rating. 64.9 comp %
Brees: 6 TDs 3 Ints 93.8 rating. 66.6 comp %
The difference isn't Ryan playing better, it's him having better players around him. I'd kill for Brees to have a Julio.
Brees: 6 TDs 3 Ints 93.8 rating. 66.6 comp %
The difference isn't Ryan playing better, it's him having better players around him. I'd kill for Brees to have a Julio.
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 9:48 am
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:45 am to Weekend Warrior79
Where's Tom Brady's name on that list? My point exactly. He takes paycuts for Super Bowl rings.
Rogers? best in the game...warranted. Rivers? damn good...warranted. The Steelers will be scrounging around for money with Big Ben's contract. Eli is okay but has OBJ to throw to so that helps out. Matt Ryan has Julio. Flacco has Steve Smith. Newton does pretty much everything for that offense including running, so...warranted. Brees does not have anyone other than cooks really and that's just long bombs down the field. There is no possession guy (hopefully Snead proves me wrong) for the saints.
Rogers? best in the game...warranted. Rivers? damn good...warranted. The Steelers will be scrounging around for money with Big Ben's contract. Eli is okay but has OBJ to throw to so that helps out. Matt Ryan has Julio. Flacco has Steve Smith. Newton does pretty much everything for that offense including running, so...warranted. Brees does not have anyone other than cooks really and that's just long bombs down the field. There is no possession guy (hopefully Snead proves me wrong) for the saints.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:46 am to mrPresident
Thanks for the 429th thread on this same beat to death topic.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:48 am to mrPresident
Ok, i hear you guy. Now give me an alternative solution that would of kept us competative? Oh wait, you dont have one
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:49 am to mrPresident
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Where's Tom Brady's name on that list? My point exactly.
Tom Brady was extended 3 years before his contract ended which provided long term security
Not to mention that his wife makes 100s of millions too.
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Brees does not have anyone other than cooks really and that's just long bombs down the fiel
And how are they able to do that while paying a QB...that is the entire point that goes against your thread
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 9:51 am
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:51 am to mrPresident
And you want to put it all on Brees contract?
Nearly every team has a 100 million dollar qb these days.. any teams that actually want to compete..
The Saints have missed badly via draft and free agency. Period.
To me it goes more back towards the Bounty Gate BS which started the losing mentality and loss of a couple of draft picks.. then a whole year off of coaching for Payton. We did have one decent year after it, but still haven't been the same since..
Nearly every team has a 100 million dollar qb these days.. any teams that actually want to compete..
The Saints have missed badly via draft and free agency. Period.
To me it goes more back towards the Bounty Gate BS which started the losing mentality and loss of a couple of draft picks.. then a whole year off of coaching for Payton. We did have one decent year after it, but still haven't been the same since..
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:52 am to mrPresident
quote:can you first explain how every other team is able to pay their QB a ton and still field a great team?
How can we field a team with quality players if we have no money to pay??
I'll go ahead and answer for you: their front office is good at evaluating players in the draft.
Your argument is basically stating that if drew was paid less we would be able to pick up highly sought after free agents with the extra money. How well has that worked in the past?
Evaluating talent in the draft is key to success, then release them and repeat.
The most important player to have and keep is the QB
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:52 am to mrPresident
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I'm not saying it can't or won't happen
I am. Being a dynasty is hard. Back in 2009 after the SB win, if you were asked to guess if the odds were better than 50% or worse than 50% that the Saints would still be title contenders after 5+ years what would you have guessed? This is how it was always most likely to go. Maybe had Bountygate not happened the coaching wouldn't have gone to hell and maybe they'd have been more on top of problems like the poor drafting and made the Ireland move a year sooner, all of that certainly would help, not to mention having those stolen draft picks back, but would the Saints really be true contenders right now? Was that ever in the cards 6 years after their first SuperBowl?
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 9:54 am
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:53 am to TigerBait1127
Maybe by not trading away their best offensive weapon
Serious question, if Graham hadn't been traded, do y'all think y'all still would have taken Peat with the first pick? Or would have moved back for a defensive player?
Serious question, if Graham hadn't been traded, do y'all think y'all still would have taken Peat with the first pick? Or would have moved back for a defensive player?
Posted on 10/12/15 at 9:54 am to JeffG20
If my job title included gm for the saints or something of that nature then I would. The issue is that there are a lot of issues, too many to count. Brees isn't the only problem but it sure would help to be able to pay other good players but we just keep hoping we find some late round draft jewels and get lucky with veteran free agent signings
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:00 am to Indfanfromcol
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do y'all think y'all still would have taken Peat with the first pick? Or would have moved back for a defensive player?
Yes.
CSP and FO have not traded down in 1st rd yet.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:03 am to Indfanfromcol
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Maybe by not trading away their best offensive weapon
I agree that this shouldn't have been necessary, but our drafts had been so bad that we needed major help at multiple positions
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Serious question, if Graham hadn't been traded, do y'all think y'all still would have taken Peat with the first pick? Or would have moved back for a defensive player?
I can't even pretend to know what this FO thinks in the draft. We ignore C for years then trade our 2nd best player for one. Then we trade another receiver and draft none
Then we think we're going all in on the run game, and completely ignore Guard
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:05 am to mrPresident
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Brees isn't the only problem but it sure would help to be able to pay other good players b
Pay players like Junior, Byrd, Graham, Jordan, Evans, Grubbs, Lofton, Browner, Unger, Colston, Bunkely, etc?
The problem is we've missed on the players we've paid.
We had made room for 2016, and then junior happened too
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 10:06 am
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