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re: Carr would be a good player IF .. ????
Posted on 5/28/24 at 4:42 am to goatmilker
Posted on 5/28/24 at 4:42 am to goatmilker
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Basically no.
Hahaha ok.
The truth is when you have to have everything perfect around your highly paid QB to perform maybe, just maybe hes an overpaid underperforming player. But its the offseason so lets have some optimism before he shits the bed again.
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 6:25 am to Pels_Yaz
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But its the offseason so lets have some optimism before he shits the bed again.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:22 am to Stevo1856
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Last year he was learning a new offense
I see this posted a lot. The guy was 32 and in the league for a decade. He’s not some rookie learning new concepts after playing in a wide open college system. You’d hope he’d have a full command of an offense in a few weeks and it wouldn’t take a year.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 7:22 am
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:20 am to Suntiger
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He’s pretty much middle of the pack in the NFC
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He is a good quarterback
Well which one is it? Both of these statements can’t be true at the same time.
Carr could be good IF Kubiak can do some voodoo magic.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:42 am to High Life
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Well which one is it? Both of these statements can’t be true at the same time.
Yes they can. He’s not great. He’s not terrible. He’s good. He’s not very good. He’s not bad. He’s in the middle.
Great
Very Good
Good
_____[Mendoza Line]_____
Bad
Very Bad
Terrible
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:02 am to Pels_Yaz
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just maybe hes an overpaid underperforming player.
Is he overpaid? Sure, we would all have preferred a rookie QB on a rookie deal, even those that liked the Carr trade would prefer a better QB on a cheaper deal. But that is not what we have now, so how long do we harp on the woulda, coulda, shoulda that none of us have any control over?
He's the 15th highest paid QB in the league, which puts him right there as an average paid QB. There are only 5 projected starting QBs (Mayfield, Geno, Love, Minshew & Wilson) not on rookie deals that have cheaper contracts that Carr. I ask again, based on today's overinflated QB deals/guarantees, is he really overpaid?
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:15 am to St Augustine
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He may get you to the wildcard with a good line and good running game. Hoping for significantly more is kinda wishful thinking.
Just because someone isn't trashing him, does not mean they are expecting him to become the 2nd coming of Brees. Hell, they aren't even trying to put him in the 2nd tier of active QBs.
All I am saying is you take away the trash coaches he's had the past 2 years and put him with a competent coach (assuming Kubiak can be this and his success isn't all Shannahan), you should see a better QB than what we saw last year. And even with the struggles from PC, Carr was still 7th in completion percentage (with Rudolph & Cousins ranked higher playing less than 1/2 the season), 13th in yards, 10th in TDs, 11th in QB rating, and 16th in QBR
I can't quickly filter out the guys that threw only a few passes for interceptions, but he only had 8 on the season. 21 QBs had more than 8, and he was tied with 3 others with 8. But there were a lot of teams that had multiple starting QBs
This is not to say he will suddenly become a stud that can put the team on his back and lead us to multiple SB appearances. But, based on his stats last year, he was an average QB under Pete. Can he be good (better than average) with a new OC with a modern eye toward running an NFL offense.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:32 am to Pels_Yaz
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Offseason takes are funny.
you think our depth at safety is ok?
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:50 am to TigerSaurus
He is the least of our worries. Our biggest worry is how long it will take the offense to gel under a new OC. It is the key to our early success.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 11:08 am to Weekend Warrior79
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Just because someone isn't trashing him, does not mean they are expecting him to become the 2nd coming of Brees. Hell, they aren't even trying to put him in the 2nd tier of active QBs. All I am saying is you take away the trash coaches he's had the past 2 years and put him with a competent coach (assuming Kubiak can be this and his success isn't all Shannahan), you should see a better QB than what we saw last year. And even with the struggles from PC, Carr was still 7th in completion percentage (with Rudolph & Cousins ranked higher playing less than 1/2 the season), 13th in yards, 10th in TDs, 11th in QB rating, and 16th in QBR I can't quickly filter out the guys that threw only a few passes for interceptions, but he only had 8 on the season. 21 QBs had more than 8, and he was tied with 3 others with 8. But there were a lot of teams that had multiple starting QBs This is not to say he will suddenly become a stud that can put the team on his back and lead us to multiple SB appearances. But, based on his stats last year, he was an average QB under Pete. Can he be good (better than average) with a new OC with a modern eye toward running an NFL offense.
That’s a whole lot of words in response to me saying he’s a borderline WC level qb with a good o line and running game.
Carr dinks and dunks and will fill out an efficient stat sheet, he’s done that basically his whole career. It just never seems to be timely or affect the game in an overly positive way. The dude just never really lets it rip when his teams need him too. Outside of a year or two in his career no nfl fan has ever been like “man I wish we had a Derek Carr on our team.”
Maybe it’s the shite teams he’s been on, maybe he’d win more games if he played for San Fran and could just be a cog in a run heavy team.
We know who he is and the amount of viable years he has left as an average to slightly above average nfl qb doesn’t really fit with the dearth of young talent on our roster.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 11:10 am
Posted on 5/28/24 at 11:23 am to Suntiger
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Mendoza line
Well if you’re average in the NFC. Then you’re probably below average in the AFC.
The only reason he’s close to average every year is because the line doesn’t take into account, rookies, first year starters, and backups forced into action by injuries.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 11:30 am to Irish Knuckles
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you think our depth at safety is ok?
I think putting safety depth concerns over Carrs play at QB is laughable. Our season will not be defined with our safety depth.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:20 pm to fischd1
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Our biggest worry is how long it will take the offense to gel under a new OC.
Isn’t a huge part of that Carr picking up the offense and playing well though?
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:10 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I think putting safety depth concerns over Carrs play at QB is laughable. Our season will not be defined with our safety depth.
our oline will determine if carr is a top 15 type qb or a bottom 10 type qb. oline is the concern. our depth at safety is more concerning than carr. we already can't run allen's defense properly as is.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:19 pm to Irish Knuckles
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our oline will determine if carr is a top 15 type qb or a bottom 10 type qb. oline is the concern.
Oline is a concern for sure. But improved oline play will not magically turn Carr from a bottom 10 to a top 15 qb.
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our depth at safety is more concerning than carr.
Its absolutely not. This team will go as far as Carr takes them not how deep our safety position group is.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:33 pm to Pels_Yaz
carr is already a top 15 qb.
2023 qb rating of 97.7 is 10th and and his espn qbr of 56.5 is 16th. this was with a less than stellar oline and carmichael calling plays. if our oline is worse than last year, carr will be worse. if it's better, then carr will improve some.
safety is the second weakest position group on the team. i'm not saying that we don't need better qb play, but we're a honey badger injury away from having to mask and scheme around the safety position for all the wrong reasons.
2023 qb rating of 97.7 is 10th and and his espn qbr of 56.5 is 16th. this was with a less than stellar oline and carmichael calling plays. if our oline is worse than last year, carr will be worse. if it's better, then carr will improve some.
safety is the second weakest position group on the team. i'm not saying that we don't need better qb play, but we're a honey badger injury away from having to mask and scheme around the safety position for all the wrong reasons.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:50 pm to Irish Knuckles
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carr is already a top 15 qb.
I won’t hamper your offseason optistism anymore. We’ll come back to this after the first 6 games of the season and see if you’re still concerned with our safety depth and still think Carr is a top 15 QB.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 4:26 pm to nealnan8
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if he doesn't fold every time he gets any pressure in the pocket.
frick you talking about? that dude is tough as nails and takes a beating. obvious you just straight hating on the dude.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 5:11 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:2023 Stats
still think Carr is a top 15 QB.
Completion% 68.4 #6
Yards 3878 #13
TDs 25 #10
RTG 97.7 #10
And that's with shite O-line play (for at least the first 6 games) and a shite running game and Pete Carmichael as your OC.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 5:54 pm to King George
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2023 Stats
His per game stats are what’s significantly below avg. Y’all always show overall season stats. In the nfl you have to win INDIVIDUAL games. Sure Carr gets a little pat on the back for being tough and playing a full season. But stop selectively choosing stats that line with your narrative.
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