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Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:41 am to GynoSandberg
You like the advanced nfl guys like PFF. What do you think of their 86.2 rating for Carr? Seems they think he's quite good this season.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:54 am to RB10
You brought up franchise history to defend’s Carrs lack of winning. You also completely ignored he’s played in one playoff game that he lost and the team actually made a superbowl in recent history before him as well.
You’re right I’m a realist that accepts my starting QB to win rather than be a player apologist like yourself that will find every excuse in the book of why he didn’t win.
You’re right I’m a realist that accepts my starting QB to win rather than be a player apologist like yourself that will find every excuse in the book of why he didn’t win.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:58 am to Pels_Yaz
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You brought up franchise history to defend’s Carrs lack of winning. You also completely ignored he’s played in one playoff game that he lost and the team actually made a superbowl in recent history before him as well.
That was 12 years before he was drafted
They had 0 playoff appearances between that Super Bowl loss and drafting Carr. They have had 0 playoff appearances since releasing him.
Seems there’s a pattern there. You’re just too emotionally charged to see it.
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You’re right I’m a realist that accepts my starting QB to win rather than be a player apologist like yourself that will find every excuse in the book of why he didn’t win.
Ok man. You’re totally a “realist”.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:08 pm to RB10
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They had 0 playoff appearances between that Super Bowl loss and drafting Carr. They have had 0 playoff appearances since releasing him. Seems there’s a pattern there. You’re just too emotionally charged to see it.
You’re right. They made two playoff appearances in the 7 years he was there. So since you want to go by patterns lets keep Carr for 7 years and he’ll lose a wild card round and not show up for another one due to injury. Hes a 33 year old QB who looks like will be 0-2 in regards to his Saints career in terms of making the playoffs. But you’re too emotionally attached to Carr to see that. “You people” never get it. Tsk tsk.
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Ok man. You’re totally a “realist”.
Yeah you should try it sometime rather than constantly making excuses for professional players like Carr. You’re acting like he helped turned around the Raiders. Its an absolute joke of an argument. I would respect you more if you just would advocate his play for this season- but defending his career like he’s some winner thats been put in bad situations is just laughable.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:20 pm to Pels_Yaz
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You’re right. They made two playoff appearances in the 7 years he was there
That’s 2 more than they made in the years he wasn’t.
In fact, the Raiders have 2 winning seasons since 2002. I’ll let you guess who the QB was?
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So since you want to go by patterns lets keep Carr for 7 years and he’ll lose a wild card round and not show up for another one due to injury.
“Not show up”
He had a broken leg. This is why you can’t be taken seriously. You have an irrational hatred of the man.
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But you’re too emotionally attached to Carr to see that. “You people” never get it. Tsk tsk.
I’m not attached to him at all. I’m just intelligent enough to realize that he doesn’t suck, and he isn’t the reason the saints have been losing games.
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Yeah you should try it sometime rather than constantly making excuses for professional players like Carr.
I.e. posting actual facts instead of emotional ravings.
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You’re acting like he helped turned around the Raiders. Its an absolute joke of an argument.
I’ve done nothing of the sort. I’ve simply pointed out that their only success in the last 22 years has been with Carr.
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I would respect you more if you just would advocate his play for this season- but defending his career like he’s some winner thats been put in bad situations is just laughable.
Why? You would just say I’m making excuses and go on more emotionally unstable diatribes against him.
I’ll pass.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:34 pm to RB10
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That’s 2 more than they made in the years he wasn’t. In fact, the Raiders have 2 winning seasons since 2002. I’ll let you guess who the QB was?
This is your defense thst Carr is a winning QB? Lol You know a lot of those no winning seasons have something to do with him too. But i guess you can’t acknowledge those 5 seasons he wasn’t a winner right??
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Not show up” He had a broken leg. This is why you can’t be taken seriously. You have an irrational hatred of the man.
That wasnt meant to be an insult. He couldn’t show up because he was injured. Thats just a fact. Damn are you related to Carr in any way? I have no hatred for him.
Hes a “mid” quarterback. Always was. Its people like you who are maddeningly annoying trying to prop him up as something hes not. Hes a very average to below average QB that doesn’t consistently win.
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I’m not attached to him at all. I’m just intelligent enough to realize that he doesn’t suck, and he isn’t the reason the saints have been losing games.
I never said he was the sole reason we were losing games. I stated that it doesn’t make sense to waste cap money on a guy who can’t help us win unless we are talented in other places- you took that as me blaming everything on Carr and labeling me as “you people.” Go back and read the post you replied to. I never placed responsibility of the season on him. I asked why sign him if we have so many other issues and he cant win without talent around him. Instead if going on RAGING proCarr rants actually read what you’re replying to.
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I.e. posting actual facts instead of emotional ravings.
I posted facts to but they don’t fall under your pro Carr agenda.
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I’ve done nothing of the sort. I’ve simply pointed out that their only success in the last 22 years has been with Carr.
And Ive pointed out he didn’t win in 5 out of 7 seasons with the Raiders and hes not winning here. You got all emotional about it.
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Why? You would just say I’m making excuses and go on more emotionally unstable diatribes against him
Bravo. Great “gaslighting” technique.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:40 pm to Pels_Yaz
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This is your defense thst Carr is a winning QB? Lol You know a lot of those no winning seasons have something to do with him too. But i guess you can’t acknowledge those 5 seasons he wasn’t a winner right??
Go back and link where I’ve said he’s a winning QB. I’ll wait.
I’ve simply said he played for one of the 3 worst franchises in the league for the last 20 years before signing here.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:42 pm to RB10
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I’ve simply said he played for one of the 3 worst franchises in the league for the last 20 years before signing here.
Ok so thats his excuse for why he couldn’t win here. I mean why is that relevant in any way to me saying why did we decide to sign him if he cant win without talent around him??!
Again you just assumed I blamed eveything on Carr. Again I never said that. My post was why did the Saints bring in a guy whi cant win without taleny, use salary cap money to sign him and be unable to upgrade other positions. There was no blame or hatred on Carr. This was all your own assumptions.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:43 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Ok so thats his excuse for why he couldn’t win here. I mean why is that relevant in any way to me saying why did we decide to sign him if he cant win without talent around him??!
He’s played 1 and a half seasons and has a winning record, with Dennis Allen as his coach.
What exactly do you mean by “winning”?
ETA: No NFL QB wins without talent around them. Not a single one.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:45 pm to msstate7
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You like the advanced nfl guys like PFF. What do you think of their 86.2 rating for Carr? Seems they think he's quite good this season.
Not sure what does into PFF QB grades, it’s easily the most quantifiable position we have. But I obliged you and looked at each individual game
Average of his 4 best games - 87.05
Average of his 4 worst games- 64.15
87.05 would be third best, where he currently sits in their season long list.
64.15 would rank him as the 32nd best qualified QB, behind Caleb Williams and ahead of Deshaun Watson. There are only 32 teams in the league
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:50 pm to RB10
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He’s played 1 and a half seasons and has a winning record, with Dennis Allen as his coach. What exactly do you mean by “winning”?
Again you completely ignored my question. What does his raiders history have anything to do with us trying to sign Carr?
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What exactly do you mean by “winning”?
You know be more than a barely over .500 team. I don’t think Mickey or DA signed him to be what a 12-10 QB with the Saints. That wasn’t the goal.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:52 pm to RB10
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ETA: No NFL QB wins without talent around them. Not a single one.
Which again goes back to my orginal post which you responded to with that Im bashing Carr.
Why waste cap money signing Carr when you cant use that money to upgrade other positions. And there are levels to what you said Carr needs mire help than other starting QBS in regards to talent around him. Hes not a QB who can win unless everything is talented and other units are playing above average or not injured.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:56 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Why waste cap money signing Carr when you cant use that money to upgrade other positions.
Because a lame duck coach was trying to save his job. This happens all the time.
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And there are levels to what you said Carr needs mire help than other starting QBS in regards to talent around him. Hes not a QB who can win unless everything is talented and other units are playing above average or not injured.
He’s won games with a patchwork Oline and Valdes-Scantling as his WR1.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:59 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Again you completely ignored my question. What does his raiders history have anything to do with us trying to sign Carr?
You want to use the Raiders to call him a career loser.
I’m not allowed to point out that their last 20 years are nothing but losing, regardless of who the QB was?
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You know be more than a barely over .500 team. I don’t think Mickey or DA signed him to be what a 12-10 QB with the Saints. That wasn’t the goal.
12-10 with Dennis Allen as your head coach is pretty remarkable.
Again, the guy has a career .329 winning percentage.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:02 pm to RB10
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Because a lame duck coach was trying to save his job. This happens all the time.
See you literally could have just replied with that instead of going on this “everyone stop blaming Carr” posts. It was just a bad signing. Yeah hes not part of the problem as a whole but hes also not part of the solution. We signed him and then we extended him. Meaning we have to carry him onto our team for next year as well. A lot if this is on Mickey.
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He’s won games with a patchwork Oline and Valdes-Scantling as his WR1.
Yeah and credit to him. But reality is hes not getting us to the playoffs. And to be fair last year we didn’t have these injuries and an easier schedule and still didn’t make playoffs. Again not hating Carr- this team overall isnt good enough- Carr can’t carry them- maybe other QBs could. But he cant.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:05 pm to RB10
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You want to use the Raiders to call him a career loser.
I pointed out facts. You took exception to that. Sure go ahead and point that out- doesn’t change the facts.
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12-10 with Dennis Allen as your head coach is pretty remarkable. Again, the guy has a career .329 winning percentage.
A guy he chose to sign with. A guy he got fired in his rookie year. You can blame DA and he deserves a lot of thep blame but that doesn’t mean that Carr is COMPLETELY blameless. He would even admit that himself.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:09 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I pointed out facts. You took exception to that. Sure go ahead and point that out- doesn’t change the facts.
No you didn’t.
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A guy he chose to sign with. A guy he got fired in his rookie year.
Yes, Carr’s rookie year is what got Dennis Allen fired as the Raiders coach. Not the fact that he won 8 games over 2 years in 2012 and 2013.
Get the frick out of here. You’re making shite yo like a 12 year old who got caught in a lie. Stop it.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:13 pm to RB10
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No you didn’t.
That Carr didn’t win when he was with Raiders. Your argument was he made playoffs twice in 7 years. One game he couldn’t play with injury. So you think “winning” is being successful 2 of your 7 years and he didn’t win 5 of the other years because of the organization? Go ahead roll with that theory if it helps proves some weird point that you think Carr is a winning QB.
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Yes, Carr’s rookie year is what got Dennis Allen fired as the Raiders coach. Not the fact that he was 8 games over 2 years in 2012 and 2013. Get the frick out of here.
It didn’t save him from not getting fired. Nor did it save DA this year. You can laugh but seems like you only consider facts “seriously” when they support your opinion or agenda.
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Get the frick out of here. You’re making shite yo like a 12 year old who got caught in a lie. Stop it.
But you don’t get emotional right? You just resort to name calling and calling posters children? What am I making up? Everything Ive said is true.
I made up the fact that both times DA was fired Carr was his QB? Was the fact that Carr had 5 losing seasons with the Raiders made up? Or the fact Carr hasn’t won anything substantial in his 10 year career? These are all facts you don’t like hearing.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:21 pm to Pels_Yaz
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It didn’t save him from not getting fired. Nor did it save DA this year. You can laugh but seems like you only consider facts “seriously” when they support your opinion or agenda.
The rookie QB drafted in the 2nd round didn’t save the coach who won 11 games in 3 seasons?
Shocker!
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But you don’t get emotional right? You just resort to name calling and calling posters children? What am I making up? Everything Ive said is true.
Interesting since the first personal attack was you calling me a “fricking idiot” when I pointed out that he’d led the Raiders to the playoffs twice, because you though I was wrong (I wasn’t).
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Carr is 0-1 in the playoffs you fricking idiot. Hahagagag
It’s pretty clear which of the two of us is overly emotional about Derek Carr.
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