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re: Carr is currently the #4 qb in rating in the league.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:23 am to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:23 am to Pels_Yaz
Even still, Carr this season has a better passer rating, td%, int%, and yds/att than Brees had in any of that 3-year stretch.
Now to be fair, brees had full seasons of stats and Carr isn't done.
Now to be fair, brees had full seasons of stats and Carr isn't done.
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:29 am to Pels_Yaz
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Agreed this is on Loomis. But why even waste money on Carr when hes not helping you win and still hurting your cap. Just walk away. There was no reason for us to sign Carr and then extend him as well. It was ill advised on many fronts.
There’s no point arguing with people like you. You’re utterly convinced Carr is the main problem when the reality is he’s a middling QB, paid like a middling QB, who’s helping keep the team afloat.
2025 has about 25% of the Cap tied up in players who won’t be playing again. Guess what? The Saints aren’t going to be winning anything that year either.
In 2026 you can start to actual rebuild the roster. Thats Carr’s last season with a big cap hit and they’re no longer carrying around a ton of literal dead weight.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:37 am to msstate7
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Even still, Carr this season has a better passer rating, td%, int%, and yds/att than Brees had in any of that 3-year stretch. Now to be fair, brees had full seasons of stats and Carr isn't done.
Again why I say your reliance on stats is blinding you to how good Carr really is. Even you know this is an absolute bad comparison. Even in those years, anyone will tell you Brees was a much better quarterback.
The thing with Carr is hes always been great stats guy for the past ten years. But hes not a winner- never has been. At some point after ten years of this- you can’t constantly say well its not Carr’s fault that for the past 10 years with two different franchises its the players around him that have failed him.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:45 am to Pels_Yaz
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The thing with Carr is hes always been great stats guy for the past ten years. But hes not a winner- never has been. At some point after ten years of this- you can’t constantly say well its not Carr’s fault that for the past 10 years with two different franchises its the players around him that have failed him.
The Raiders have made the playoffs 5 times since 1993 (That’s 30 years). 2 of those were with Derek Carr at QB.
Your argument is so lazy it’s kind of sad.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:45 am to RB10
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Imagine blaming Carr because the Saints have over $40 mil tied up in players that are no longer on the roster.
I explicitly stated I do not blame Carr. And you just unknowingly described the issue of giving him the huge contact AND reworking his contract. That is why his cap hit is the monstrosity that it is
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:48 am to RB10
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There’s no point arguing with people like you. You’re utterly convinced Carr is the main problem when the reality is he’s a middling QB, paid like a middling QB, who’s helping keep the team afloat. 2025 has about 25% of the Cap tied up in players who won’t be playing again. Guess what? The Saints aren’t going to be winning anything that year either. In 2026 you can start to actual rebuild the roster. Thats Carr’s last season with a big cap hit and they’re no longer carrying around a ton of literal dead weight.
People “like me.” Lol ok.
Why are we paying a middling QB to keep the team afloat where they cant make the playoffs or get a high pick?
I get all that but you really think Loomis and DA signed Carr to be a middling QB- that was the plan all along? That hey lets waste money on a guy who can’t take us anywhere. And then lets extend that same guy, play middling football, and reset in 2026. You think is the master plan?
Or what really happened is they got fooled by Carr’s stats with the Raiders, thought they could win with him by turning his career around, and they just continue what they had with Payton and Brees- and that all went to shite.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:49 am to Pels_Yaz
I'm just using non-biased stats.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:53 am to msstate7
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Even still, Carr this season has a better passer rating, td%, int%, and yds/att than Brees had in any of that 3-year stretch. Now to be fair, brees had full seasons of stats and Carr isn't done.
Not sure you understand how difficult it is to maintain the ratio stats Brees did from 14-16, given the volume. He had 1,959 pass attempts and posted a TD% of 5.2 and Int% of 2.2… 69.2% completion, 99.9 rating, 7.7 Y/A. His defenses were 28th, 32nd and 31st in the league.
Carr has 211 pass attempts
please don’t ever mention Brees and Carr in the same sentence Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:54 am to GynoSandberg
Where does Carrs defense rank this season?
ETA... and again, I don't think Carr is on Brees' level. I can at least recognize and admit Carr is having a great season. I try not to let my feelings override my judgement.
Also, do you think if brees lost Colston and cook it would've affected him?
ETA... and again, I don't think Carr is on Brees' level. I can at least recognize and admit Carr is having a great season. I try not to let my feelings override my judgement.
Also, do you think if brees lost Colston and cook it would've affected him?
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 10:58 am
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:56 am to Pels_Yaz
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People “like me.” Lol ok.
Yes.
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Why are we paying a middling QB to keep the team afloat where they cant make the playoffs or get a high pick?
The playoffs aren’t out of reach yet. Have you seen the other teams in this division?
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I get all that but you really think Loomis and DA signed Carr to be a middling QB- that was the plan all along? That hey lets waste money on a guy who can’t take us anywhere. And then lets extend that same guy, play middling football, and reset in 2026. You think is the master plan?
I think they signed the QB they thought they could win with.
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Or what really happened is they got fooled by Carr’s stats with the Raiders, thought they could win with him by turning his career around, and they just continue what they had with Payton and Brees- and that all went to shite.
It all went to shite because the Saints had a head coach with a .329 winning percentage.
So, again, rather than just slinging shite at the QB who’s about 15th on the list of reasons why the Saints have struggled, maybe look just a little bit deeper.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 10:58 am
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:09 am to RB10
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The playoffs aren’t out of reach yet. Have you seen the other teams in this division?
I want this team to win but they literally have to win out. But sure ok.
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I think they signed the QB they thought they could win with.
Hows that working for them?
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It all went to shite because the Saints had a head coach with a .329 winning percentage. So, again, rather than just slinging shite at the QB who’s about 15th on the list of reasons why the Saints have struggled, maybe look just a little bit deeper.
Carr chose to sign with DA knowing this. He was fired when Carr worked with him before. Last year I heard it was Carmicheals fault now its DA. Man “people like you” will blame everyone but Carr for winning wont you? Maybe stop looking so deep and just look at the fact in his ten years Carr has never won anywhere.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:16 am to RB10
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The Raiders have made the playoffs 5 times since 1993 (That’s 30 years). 2 of those were with Derek Carr at QB. Your argument is so lazy it’s kind of sad.
Carr is 0-1 in the playoffs you fricking idiot. Hahagagag
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:18 am to msstate7
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I can at least recognize and admit Carr is having a great season.
Great season? Ok man this is where you lose most people. So you think Carr should make the pro bowl and all pro teams then?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:18 am to msstate7
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Where does Carrs defense rank this season?
Carr had the 8th ranked defense last season and the easiest strength of schedule in the league. We yielded 19.2 ppg.
In Carr’s 8 starts this season, we have yielded 18.75 ppg.
And again, I don’t think Carr is having a “bad” season. It’s a Carr season. Ride the high of the first two games, shite the bed the next two. shite the bed vs Car. Squeak by ATL, light up CLE. Acknowledge the full body of work if you want to give an honest assessment.
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Also, do you think if brees lost Colston and cook it would've affected him?
Buddy, Carr is 13-12 here.
We went 9-8 with Jameis, Simien, Taysom, and Book throwing to Marquez Callaway, Deonte Harty, Trequan and Trautman. Read that closely
Brees and Taysom went 12-4 with Alvin Kamara as the leading WR in 202
Perspective. Stop the excuses
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:19 am to GynoSandberg
Payton = Allen.
ETA... season stats are the full body of work.
ETA... season stats are the full body of work.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 11:21 am
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:24 am to Pels_Yaz
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Carr is 0-1 in the playoffs you fricking idiot. Hahagagag
That’s because he got hurt in 2016 smoothbrain.
They still made the playoffs with a 12-4 record. Carr was 12-3.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 11:27 am
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:28 am to RB10
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That’s because he got hurt in 2016 smoothbrain. He was
So you’re saying in around the ten years of football he lost a wildcard and didn’t play in the playoffs another year because of injury- and thats your reasoning hes a winning QB? You can call me all the names you want but thats an absolutely ridiculous statement.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:29 am to msstate7
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Payton = Allen.
Yes of course. 11 years and 167 starts of excuses.
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season stats are the full body of work
Wins
142.5 rating vs CAR (3-7)
125 rating vs DAL (3-7)
126.9 rating vs ATL (6-5)
129.6 rating vs CLE (2-8)
Losses
69.1 rating vs PHI (8-2)
82.8 rating vs ATL (6-5)
89.9 rating vs KC (9-1)
92.9 rating vs CAR (3-7)
Great season stats I guess if you like playing .500 football
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:32 am to Pels_Yaz
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So you’re saying in around the ten years of football he lost a wildcard and didn’t play in the playoffs another year because of injury- and thats your reasoning hes a winning QB? You can call me all the names you want but thats an absolutely ridiculous statement.
He was playing for a franchise that has been to the playoffs 5 times in 30 years.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:34 am to RB10
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He was playing for a franchise that has been to the playoffs 5 times in 30 years.
Excuse number 145 for why Carr hasn’t won. Not Carr’s fault ever. The Carr apologists never stop.
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