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re: Brees not even MENTIONED on First Take MVP discussion........
Posted on 1/3/12 at 1:22 am to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 1/3/12 at 1:22 am to Patrick O Rly
I do not give 2 shits.
Have their MVP.
The first time I saw Brees in an exhibition game, drop back then go through his reads, and after seeing nothing was open.... THROW IT IN THE STANDS!!! My pee-pee moved a little bit. Breesus is/was God's payback for years of Aaron Brooks.
Have their MVP.
The first time I saw Brees in an exhibition game, drop back then go through his reads, and after seeing nothing was open.... THROW IT IN THE STANDS!!! My pee-pee moved a little bit. Breesus is/was God's payback for years of Aaron Brooks.
Posted on 1/3/12 at 7:43 am to LSU alum wannabe
Peter King's take on the MVP Race and his vote:
"The MVP dilemma. Brees made it a horse race, and more than that. In the end, early this morning, I struggled with what to do with my vote, one of 50 for the annual Associated Press NFL awards and All-Pro team. I could go Brees, or I could go Rodgers, or I could, as I've done before, split my vote half and half. I thought a lot about doing that, and I can see why some voters might do that. Unlike baseball, the football MVP is done by voting for first place. Not first, second and third, or more than that. Just one vote. So that was a consideration in a very tight race.
Brees has had, arguably, the greatest statistical offensive season a quarterback has ever had, with the most passing yards, the best accuracy, and the fourth-most touchdowns in a season (46). Rodgers set the NFL mark for passer rating, became the first passer to have 12 straight games with a rating over 105, led the Packers to the best record in the league, and had the best passing season the Packers have ever seen -- which is saying something, considering their Hall of Fame heritage (Arnie Herber, Bart Starr and soon Brett Favre).
Sometime after 5 this morning, I finalized my call. I decided not to split the vote, because I thought it would be a cop out. I felt I had to make a decision. And I picked Rodgers. Four reasons:
1. I thought Rodgers was better for the full season. Rodgers was 14-1, Brees 13-3. So much can go into wins and losses, and each man did more than any on his team to lead to those wins. But in the two midseason losses that ultimately cost the Saints the second seed in the playoffs, Brees was less than perfect, and it hurt his team. In a six-point loss to Tampa Bay in Week 6, Brees threw one interception late in the first half that Josh Freeman turned into a touchdown three plays later. Late in the fourth quarter, down six, Brees threw an interception in the end zone. Two weeks later, New Orleans went to St. Louis and lost by 10 to A.J. Feeley and the Rams. Brees threw one interception that was returned for a touchdown, and the other was turned into a touchdown pass by Feeley. In Rodgers' first 12 weeks of the season, he ground up every opponent with remarkable efficiency, throwing 37 touchdowns with just five interceptions ... almost the same way Brees played at the end of the season. In the last eight games, Brees was as brilliant as Rodgers was for the first 12. The Saints were 8-0, and he threw 27 touchdowns with four interceptions, and was a paragon of accuracy. But those two losses to, as it turned out, 4-12 and 2-14 teams, with Brees mistakes a factor, weighed on my decision. In the end, it was like watching two almost perfect skaters, and one lands the quad and one has a perfect program except for double-footing the landing on one jump.
2. Brees had five multiple-interception games, Rodgers none. Not decisive, but a factor. I also thought the TD-to-interception differential (plus-39 for Rodgers, plus-32 for Brees) and the yards per attempt (9.25 to 8.33, in Rodgers' favor) was a factor.
3. I wanted to respect statistics but not be overwhelmed by them. I have tremendous respect for Brees the team player, and I couldn't care less that he was throwing the ball up 22 with three minutes to play against Atlanta. All he's doing is executing the plays that are called. But I don't want numbers, some of which are exacerbated in blowouts like the 62-7 rout of the Colts (Brees) and 45-7 rout of the Vikings (Rodgers), to affect the vote unduly, particularly since Brees threw 155 more passes than Rodgers.
4. Rodgers won the head-to-head matchup. Again, not overwhelming. But a brick in the wall.
As for the Flynn performance, I think it could be evidence that it's the system and the supporting cast as much as the player that makes the quarterback in Green Bay. But how much stock do you put in one game? Is it anecdotal or absolutely proof? I think it's more of the former, but I just don't think we have enough proof. How do we know that if Chase Daniel, Brees' backup, started against the Panthers Sunday with all that talent around him in the passing game, and with a superb play-caller in Sean Payton who knows what Daniel does well and what he doesn't, that he wouldn't have thrown for 330 and four touchdowns? We don't.
One of the things that bothers me about not voting for Brees is that I think, overall, he's been the best quarterback in football over the last six years, with a phenomenal record of achievement. And he hasn't won an MVP. I sincerely hope he does before he retires, and if he wins it this year, I won't be bothered at all, because Brees has been a great difference-maker this year. I just think Rodgers has been a little better for the full season.
Read more: LINK
"The MVP dilemma. Brees made it a horse race, and more than that. In the end, early this morning, I struggled with what to do with my vote, one of 50 for the annual Associated Press NFL awards and All-Pro team. I could go Brees, or I could go Rodgers, or I could, as I've done before, split my vote half and half. I thought a lot about doing that, and I can see why some voters might do that. Unlike baseball, the football MVP is done by voting for first place. Not first, second and third, or more than that. Just one vote. So that was a consideration in a very tight race.
Brees has had, arguably, the greatest statistical offensive season a quarterback has ever had, with the most passing yards, the best accuracy, and the fourth-most touchdowns in a season (46). Rodgers set the NFL mark for passer rating, became the first passer to have 12 straight games with a rating over 105, led the Packers to the best record in the league, and had the best passing season the Packers have ever seen -- which is saying something, considering their Hall of Fame heritage (Arnie Herber, Bart Starr and soon Brett Favre).
Sometime after 5 this morning, I finalized my call. I decided not to split the vote, because I thought it would be a cop out. I felt I had to make a decision. And I picked Rodgers. Four reasons:
1. I thought Rodgers was better for the full season. Rodgers was 14-1, Brees 13-3. So much can go into wins and losses, and each man did more than any on his team to lead to those wins. But in the two midseason losses that ultimately cost the Saints the second seed in the playoffs, Brees was less than perfect, and it hurt his team. In a six-point loss to Tampa Bay in Week 6, Brees threw one interception late in the first half that Josh Freeman turned into a touchdown three plays later. Late in the fourth quarter, down six, Brees threw an interception in the end zone. Two weeks later, New Orleans went to St. Louis and lost by 10 to A.J. Feeley and the Rams. Brees threw one interception that was returned for a touchdown, and the other was turned into a touchdown pass by Feeley. In Rodgers' first 12 weeks of the season, he ground up every opponent with remarkable efficiency, throwing 37 touchdowns with just five interceptions ... almost the same way Brees played at the end of the season. In the last eight games, Brees was as brilliant as Rodgers was for the first 12. The Saints were 8-0, and he threw 27 touchdowns with four interceptions, and was a paragon of accuracy. But those two losses to, as it turned out, 4-12 and 2-14 teams, with Brees mistakes a factor, weighed on my decision. In the end, it was like watching two almost perfect skaters, and one lands the quad and one has a perfect program except for double-footing the landing on one jump.
2. Brees had five multiple-interception games, Rodgers none. Not decisive, but a factor. I also thought the TD-to-interception differential (plus-39 for Rodgers, plus-32 for Brees) and the yards per attempt (9.25 to 8.33, in Rodgers' favor) was a factor.
3. I wanted to respect statistics but not be overwhelmed by them. I have tremendous respect for Brees the team player, and I couldn't care less that he was throwing the ball up 22 with three minutes to play against Atlanta. All he's doing is executing the plays that are called. But I don't want numbers, some of which are exacerbated in blowouts like the 62-7 rout of the Colts (Brees) and 45-7 rout of the Vikings (Rodgers), to affect the vote unduly, particularly since Brees threw 155 more passes than Rodgers.
4. Rodgers won the head-to-head matchup. Again, not overwhelming. But a brick in the wall.
As for the Flynn performance, I think it could be evidence that it's the system and the supporting cast as much as the player that makes the quarterback in Green Bay. But how much stock do you put in one game? Is it anecdotal or absolutely proof? I think it's more of the former, but I just don't think we have enough proof. How do we know that if Chase Daniel, Brees' backup, started against the Panthers Sunday with all that talent around him in the passing game, and with a superb play-caller in Sean Payton who knows what Daniel does well and what he doesn't, that he wouldn't have thrown for 330 and four touchdowns? We don't.
One of the things that bothers me about not voting for Brees is that I think, overall, he's been the best quarterback in football over the last six years, with a phenomenal record of achievement. And he hasn't won an MVP. I sincerely hope he does before he retires, and if he wins it this year, I won't be bothered at all, because Brees has been a great difference-maker this year. I just think Rodgers has been a little better for the full season.
Read more: LINK
Posted on 1/3/12 at 7:48 am to cuddlemonkey
I can agree with all of it besides the CD10 going nuts on the panthers part. I ultimately would give it to AR because Brees had 2 clunkers whether some of us want to admit it or not. Normally that wouldn't be a big deal, but AR only really had 1.
Posted on 1/3/12 at 8:09 am to cuddlemonkey
If the numbers did not matter, why did King only pick the numbers that benefited Rodgers? 
Posted on 1/3/12 at 8:42 am to Deathrider
Because that's all he can quantify in the name of being "objective".
Posted on 1/3/12 at 10:01 am to jdrumdog
Why do people continue to watch that horrible show and then complain about things they say? You people must be gluttons for punishment
Posted on 1/3/12 at 10:59 am to HeadCoach
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Why do people continue to watch that horrible show and then complain about things they say?
I'm not complaining about anything they SAID. It's what they didn't say. Literally, they didn't say Brees' name in a ten minute segment involving 4 members of the media discussing the MVP race.
I honestly couldn't argue AGAINST any of the 3 QBs. They all have made strong cases, and any of them would be deserving of the award.
But Brees HAS to at least be in the conversation.
I don't buy the media bias stuff. I think it's silly to think that a sports talk show gets ratings based on talking about one team or another. People watch these shows because we like sports and football, and I'll watch them no matter what they talk about. So it's stupid to think that a show would purposefully scorn one fanbase.
I just honestly think they are uninformed, and that's why they don't spend the time on lesser known teams. That's what frustrates me so much. They are professionals and make a pretty damn nice living out of talking about sports. The least they could do is know what the hell they are talking about.
Posted on 1/3/12 at 11:04 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Brees not even MENTIONED on First Take MVP discussion........
What I see when i watch First Take:
Posted on 1/3/12 at 11:14 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:
I just honestly think they are uninformed, and that's why they don't spend the time on lesser known teams. That's what frustrates me so much. They are professionals and make a pretty damn nice living out of talking about sports. The least they could do is know what the hell they are talking about.
How could they possibly be uninformed about a record setting offense? How could they be uninformed about the QB that is only four regular season games away from tying an old record set by Johnny Unitas? How could they possibly be uninformed about a QB whose career is shaping up as one of the all time greats?
I'll tell you why. It's the fact that New Orleans is not a traditional powerhouse. They don't have the national following that Green Bay or Dallas have. They don't have the big market appeal that New England or New York (Giants or Jets) have.
However, people still want to watch the Saints and the ratings prove it. The national appeal of the Saints seems to be a mystery to ESPN, but it's clear they have a national appeal. It's an agenda plain and simple.
You want more? Matthew Stafford had a great season, but he doesn't even get talked about as a potential MVP candidate. Detroit is an even bigger market than New Orleans. Because Stafford and Brees are not Brady and Rodgers, they're not going to be pushed as hard. ESPN holds a lot of power in the sports media. The people don't always buy it hook, line and sinker, but enough people do buy it.
Posted on 1/3/12 at 11:18 am to Deathrider
First Take represents all that is wrong with the sports media and ESPN today--it simply caters to casual morons who could take or leave sports coverage while shitting on hardcore fans because they take us for granted. Our options are slowly growing though with the league-owned networks, Fox Sports, and Versus. Luckily, the Dan Patrick Show, which conversely represents how great sports talk can be when done right, comes on in the same time slot so I never have to watch that shitfest.
Posted on 1/3/12 at 12:05 pm to Jamohn
Bayless is getting ravaged on First take right now on ESPN 2. 
This post was edited on 1/3/12 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 1/3/12 at 4:27 pm to BROpaneTANK
who did the ravaging?
This post was edited on 1/3/12 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 1/3/12 at 7:44 pm to Choctaw
ESPN could say that Tim Tebow runs a better two minute drill than Brees, and I still wouldn't be compelled to bitch about it on the internet.
Posted on 1/4/12 at 3:57 pm to DrAnhero
Well Props to you.. but that would be so far fetched I don't think anyone would truly get worked up over that.
Again I have no issue with Rodgers winning it.. it just annoys me that they continue to suck off Brady and have literally no thought to Brees.. who has his team at the same record and his stats surpass Brady's.
I'm far over it now bc I haven't watched that horrid show since.
Again I have no issue with Rodgers winning it.. it just annoys me that they continue to suck off Brady and have literally no thought to Brees.. who has his team at the same record and his stats surpass Brady's.
I'm far over it now bc I haven't watched that horrid show since.
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