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re: Brees #1 in pass attempts at 44/game
Posted on 10/17/11 at 12:53 pm to Big D of the LC
Posted on 10/17/11 at 12:53 pm to Big D of the LC
Because the Saints made defenses respect the run game in 2009. Obviously that isn't happening now. Respect the run, play-action opens up more in the pass game. That simple.
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Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:09 pm to deuce985
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t, defenses are going to just do what Tampa did yesterday
What INTs were thrown because "tampa was sitting on our pass plays"?
Brees has 7 or 8 INTs and 2, maybe 3 have been his fault. A few on tip balls, 1 or 2 on wrong route running.
Not because teams are "sitting on our passes". He's completing nearly 70% of his passes. Obviously it isnt that easy to just "sit on our passing game".
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:31 pm to Lester Earl
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not because we can't run.
but we cant..and teams are starting to figure this out..thats why we are starting to struggle even throwing the ball....except to Graham.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:38 pm to Lester Earl
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we throw the ball so much because no one can stop it, not because we can't run.
3 interceptions yesterday
It doesn't do any good to rack up a bunch of yards and not win the game
Posted on 10/17/11 at 1:41 pm to Lester Earl
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What INTs were thrown because "tampa was sitting on our pass plays"?
Brees has 7 or 8 INTs and 2, maybe 3 have been his fault. A few on tip balls, 1 or 2 on wrong route running.
Not because teams are "sitting on our passes". He's completing nearly 70% of his passes. Obviously it isnt that easy to just "sit on our passing game".
The point is that when you throw the ball 44 times a game, interceptions start to become almost inevitable.
Tipped balls and bad route running are part of the game
This post was edited on 10/17/11 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 10/17/11 at 3:39 pm to Powerman
i dont agree that it is a problem, and i have been someone that has asked to run the ball more in the past.
i dont think our running game is quite as bad as it has been. We just havent went to the ground because we have been so effective passing the ball.
we've been moving the ball up and down the field with the pass. Short passes have taken over for our running game, and they have been working the majority of the time.
you cant be afraid to throw the ball because of this. all our players have been in the offense for a long time. That shouldn't be happening. You expect to execute; can't expect anything less.
Our big problem have been stalling in the redzone. And yesterday the turnovers. I wont even get into the problems on defense. Our offense is under the microscope because at this point it is the only reason we win games.
Our 3rd down conversions have been great. Just stalling in redzone, settling for FG instead of TDs.
i dont think our running game is quite as bad as it has been. We just havent went to the ground because we have been so effective passing the ball.
we've been moving the ball up and down the field with the pass. Short passes have taken over for our running game, and they have been working the majority of the time.
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Tipped balls and bad route running are part of the game
you cant be afraid to throw the ball because of this. all our players have been in the offense for a long time. That shouldn't be happening. You expect to execute; can't expect anything less.
Our big problem have been stalling in the redzone. And yesterday the turnovers. I wont even get into the problems on defense. Our offense is under the microscope because at this point it is the only reason we win games.
Our 3rd down conversions have been great. Just stalling in redzone, settling for FG instead of TDs.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 4:00 pm to diat150
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chris ivory is made of glass
true you got him for maybe 1 game before he goes back on IR...pick a good one
Posted on 10/17/11 at 4:04 pm to Lester Earl
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Just stalling in redzone, settling for FG instead of TDs.
Yeah. More confidence in the running game might help there.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 4:38 pm to Lester Earl
Pretty much everything you said just confirmed why we need a more established run, gj there.
If you don't see how the run game can open our passing up even more, then you're ignorant as frick. More can go wrong in the passing game when you're throwing 44 times a game. Even if it is "taking over the short run game". Use your damn common sense. This isn't Madden.
We won the superbowl because teams had to respect the run. When the Saints needed to run, they could establish it and it opened up the vertical game. Brees didn't have to press as much. He can't do it by himself EVERY game.
If you don't see how the run game can open our passing up even more, then you're ignorant as frick. More can go wrong in the passing game when you're throwing 44 times a game. Even if it is "taking over the short run game". Use your damn common sense. This isn't Madden.
We won the superbowl because teams had to respect the run. When the Saints needed to run, they could establish it and it opened up the vertical game. Brees didn't have to press as much. He can't do it by himself EVERY game.
This post was edited on 10/17/11 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 10/17/11 at 6:37 pm to Powerman
He's moving up on the interception list too. He is an interception machine!
Posted on 10/17/11 at 6:49 pm to deuce985
we are 2nd overall in the league in total yards
we are 6th in points scored. Rougly 2 points per game behind the 09 team.
sorry if i dont think the world is ending.
What exactly hasnt worked out in the passing game? What needs to be opened up? We are getting explosive plays. Not only on passes that are thrown deep down field, but on short passes by guys like Darren Sproles.
things can also go wrong in the run game. Like if you run it on 1st and 2nd down and you get 3 yards total and put us in 3rd and long all day.
Dont give me the Madden bullshite. That is my quote.
we are 6th in points scored. Rougly 2 points per game behind the 09 team.
sorry if i dont think the world is ending.
What exactly hasnt worked out in the passing game? What needs to be opened up? We are getting explosive plays. Not only on passes that are thrown deep down field, but on short passes by guys like Darren Sproles.
things can also go wrong in the run game. Like if you run it on 1st and 2nd down and you get 3 yards total and put us in 3rd and long all day.
Dont give me the Madden bullshite. That is my quote.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 7:04 pm to Lester Earl
I can't believe no one is bringing up our defense as a main influence on us not running the ball.
I think both Brees and Payton do not trust this defense and so they constantly feel like they are in comeback or survival mode and their instinct when their backs are against the wall is to pass the football, because they trust in the golden arm more then anything else on the team.
I think both Brees and Payton do not trust this defense and so they constantly feel like they are in comeback or survival mode and their instinct when their backs are against the wall is to pass the football, because they trust in the golden arm more then anything else on the team.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 9:33 pm to LsuSaintsMan
if this trend continues we are on the fast track to 8-8 or 9-7 season.
Can't win in this league consistently with that many attempts because it usually means you're behind and your forcing things and have multiple ints.
Can't win in this league consistently with that many attempts because it usually means you're behind and your forcing things and have multiple ints.
Posted on 10/17/11 at 9:54 pm to SuperRemo
we won 11 games last year with the same formula
we were 2nd in the NFL in pass attempts. 30th in rushing attempts
we were 2nd in the NFL in pass attempts. 30th in rushing attempts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 9:56 pm to Lester Earl
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we won 11 games last year with the same formula
we were 2nd in the NFL in pass attempts. 30th in rushing attempts
I don't think we threw 44/ game last year? Not sure about don't think it was that high. Still outside of one year's performance which is more likely an aberration its not a good strategy. See 07 and 08.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:22 am to SuperRemo
We would have made playoffs in 08 if not for FG kicking
Posted on 10/18/11 at 5:19 am to Hulkklogan
The point about Ivory not making an immediate impact because his success was based on our O line help is flat out wrong. If you watch 99% of his highlights, he is pushing the line forward, trucking defenders and getting to the outside almost entirely on his own. If the only thing that changes between now and the next Tampa game is adding Ivory back, we win because of him.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 7:50 am to Powerman
I think the lack of a running game is moreso contributed to the poor play of the offensive line not controlling the LOS than anything. The Saints line are getting manhandled on damn near every running play called.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 9:06 am to SuperRemo
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if this trend continues we are on the fast track to 8-8 or 9-7 season.
We just got off of a 4 game win streak. Some people overreact. Damn!
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