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Posted on 3/5/13 at 6:52 pm to LSUSkip
Why do y'all think Bushrod is more important than DLP? I'd much rather Brian stay and BRod go
Posted on 3/5/13 at 6:59 pm to THRILLHO
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We don't have the money to re-sign every single good player that comes up for FA. The 2nd rounder would give us a good chance to select the clear cut best C in the draft (Barrett Jones) with that pick and save a good bit of money
We wouldn't save very much money that way. BDLP will make around $2M next year for the Saints. A 2nd round pick won't make much less than that.
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We'll be fine as long as the guy we get isn't Kreutz-level shitty.
That's a big 'if'. The OL was in shambles before BDLP stepped in.
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I get that C is more important to the Saints than other teams with the way Brees steps up in the pocket, but it's still probably the least important position on the offense.
I very much disagree.
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so you can typically get the 2nd or 3rd best C in the draft in the 3rd round
That's true, but with the depth of defensive talent in this draft, I'd hate to have to use picks on a center when we might be able to lock up the most underrated center in the league at a severe discount.
We'll just have to agree to disagree!
Posted on 3/5/13 at 7:08 pm to THRILLHO
Seriously? It's not easy to find a solid NFL starting center in the 2nd round
Posted on 3/5/13 at 7:09 pm to THRILLHO
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Not to mention we are ridiculously good at finding OL in the middle rounds, plus centers aren't a high priority for teams, so you can typically get the 2nd or 3rd best C in the draft in the 3rd round.
Just a few points. A second round pick for a quality starting center is not a good deal...period. Secondly, a $2 mill a year contract for a top flight OL performer is cheap (don't forget a 2nd rounder will cost almost $1 mill...without any true gauge if he can play at the next level). If we have to cut somewhere to make it work, there's a shite load of dead weigh on the defensive side of the ball to find the money. Lastly, the draft is a crap shoot. Yes, the team has had a good deal of success finding OL talent but there's no guarantee that it will happen again.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 3/5/13 at 7:16 pm to adono
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Just a few points. A second round pick for a quality starting center is not a good deal...period. Secondly, a $2 mill a year contract for a top flight OL performer is cheap (don't forget a 2nd rounder will cost almost $1 mill...without any true gauge if he can play at the next level). If we have to cut somewhere to make it work, there's a shite load of dead weigh on the defensive side of the ball to find the money. Lastly, the draft is a crap shoot. Yes, the team has had a good deal of success finding OL talent but there's no guarantee that it will happen again.
Couldn't agree more.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 7:29 pm to Dr.Bob
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We wouldn't save very much money that way. BDLP will make around $2M next year for the Saints. A 2nd round pick won't make much less than that.
About $1m/yr, but I'm not comparing his $2m salary to a rookie's, I'm comparing the salary he would be getting. He's an RFA. If we end up with the 2nd round pick, that means someone offered him a new, costlier deal. I wouldn't rule out him getting ~$6m/yr from a team with cap space and in need of a C.
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That's a big 'if'. The OL was in shambles before BDLP stepped in.
And they were fine the year before with Goodwin, who was a solid player but far from a world beater. Kreutz was just THAT bad.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 7:48 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
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Seriously? It's not easy to find a solid NFL starting center in the 2nd round
Well centers seldom go in the first round, so there must not be any solid starting centers in the NFL.
The highest drafted C in 2012 was Konz to the Falcons with the 27th pick in the 2nd round. The next was Ben Jones to the Texans with the 4th pick in the 4th round.
In 2011, Pouncey went 15th to the Dolphins, but he was one of the best regarded centers in quite a while besides his brother. The next drafted was Wisniewski, 47th overall, then Hudson (55th).
In 2010, other Pouncey went 18th. The next C wasn't drafted until the 3rd, 80th overall.
2009 had 2 C's drafted in the first, which is unusual.
2008 made up for it, with the 1st center going 107th.
2007, the first C drafted 59th.
2006: 29th, the 2nd went 51st.
2005: 26th, the 2nd went 81st.
2004: 66th
2003: 21st, with the 2nd 38th
2002: first drafted went 76th
So in the last 10 drafts, a whopping 7 centers have been selected in the first round. So if there are 3 centers that the Saints feel good about in the draft, they have a very good chance at getting one of them with their 3rd rounder. This while getting the chance to draft a guy like Elam, Phillip Thomas, Ertz, or Jesse Williams in the 2nd.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 7:48 pm to THRILLHO
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I wouldn't rule out him getting ~$6m/yr from a team with cap space and in need of a C.
Might happen but I doubt it. The new reality in the NFL is that every team has to keep a lot of dry powder for salaries at the skill positions...especially the QB spot. Take the Bucs, they have a ton of cap space and would love to disrupt the Saints in any way they could; but they're going to have to invest a ton in a QB very soon to compete in this division. If not in Freeman, certainly someone else.
Like I said, it's not likely a $6 mill contract is in BDLP's immediate future.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 7:53 pm to adono
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Like I said, it's not likely a $6 mill contract is in BDLP's immediate future.
Chiefs just gave a mediocre punter 5/$18.5 with nearly half guaranteed. The "89% of the cap space in cash" floor kicks in this season, so some teams will find themselves HAVING to spend money.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 8:05 pm to THRILLHO
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Chiefs just gave a mediocre punter 5/$18.5 with nearly half guaranteed.
Yep...saw that. Really not a good example to use. That was a brain fart by the Chiefs.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:56 pm to THRILLHO
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THRILLHO
Good post, and you make good points. Another thing to consider is that there isn't a lot of turnover at the C position. Not a lot of them out there, and not a lot of them needed. I feel pretty confident that BDLP would be difficult to replace and is worth more than a 2nd round pick. Out of all those C's that you listed, if the team drafting them knew the player would end up as good as BDLP, they would surely have spent a 1st round pick.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 3:52 am to THRILLHO
I misspoke. What I meant is I don't think it's worth the risk if you already have a proven center to roll the dice on a second rounder.
How many of those centers are any good?
How many of those centers are any good?
Posted on 3/8/13 at 12:30 pm to THRILLHO
We've been lucky in finding centers, found more hits than misses. I don't want t to press luck and ruin the last years of Brees' career.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 12:41 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:Didn't realize we are about even with the cap. What are they waiting on with Vilma, Smith and Harper? Cut bait, let them GTF.
False, we're right about even right now and still havent touched Vilma, Smith, or Harper.
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