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Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:44 am to buzwa
he's also played in 13 games and has had constant help w/ the exception of last saturday, that's not really comparable to brown who really is on an island.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:45 am to SaintEB
you are retarded if you dont think brown is a top 10 left tackle. and thats putting it mildly.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:45 am to SaintEB
obviously people around the league hold brown in high regards as he has made two pro-bowls.
This post was edited on 12/22/09 at 9:46 am
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:45 am to NIH
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except that it's been obvious to those who 'get' football that bushrod has been terrible for most of the season. leave the football talking to the men while you get dressed up in makeup, chad.
Dude, he's still our backup fricking LT... he's had just as many great games as he has had bad games. And this past game was against Demarcus fricking Ware who the saints coaching staff gave no fricking help for him. That's coaching... save your gay arse "i know football" comments. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to start the bitch fest when a pro-bowl player goes down and a backup player has to step up and start the entire season. We're still 13-1 with him as our LT for most of the year. Randal Gay isn't as good as Jabari Greer... no fricking shite... that's why Greer was the starter. Troy Evans sucks compared to Vilma... no fricking shite. Do the world a favor and cut your penis off so you won't breed.
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:46 am to NIH
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if bushrod had only one bad game why the frick was he benched earlier in the year? answer that before you mouth
Still no stats to back up what you are saying. Bushrod would be on the bench if Brown wasn't on IR, so I guess that makes him a back up. Now you are pissed that he plays like one. He's playing in the toughest position in the NFL and doing a decent job as a back up.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:46 am to NIH
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Defensive end Will Smith, who goes up against Brown every day in practice, said he's become bigger and stronger while shedding the "baby fat."
"He's absolutely one of the top guys in the league, athletic-wise, and strength-wise, he's getting there," Smith said. "And he's a well-conditioned guy. You know, I love going up against him because I know not too many guys I'm going to play against on Sunday are actually going to have that much energy and that much quickness like him."
lofty praise from a top 5 DE
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:47 am to NIH
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brown allowed a franchise low in sacks
Stinch allowed 2 less sacks than Brown last year so... not sure where you are getting that.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:48 am to Chad504boy
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Dude, he's still our backup fricking LT...
oh, i get it now. you're one of those dipshit fans who populate SR who believe this is high school football or something. welp, bushrod is terrible but he's OUR terrible LT.
fred thomas was OUR cb on a team that went to an NFC title game, didn't mean he wasn't awful.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:49 am to NIH
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"He's absolutely one of the top guys in the league, athletic-wise, and strength-wise
So is Vernon Gholston.
This post was edited on 12/22/09 at 9:50 am
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:51 am to buzwa
Bottom line:
Bushrod sucks, Brown is out.
Brown is a good tackle and a definite upgrade over Bushrod.
We need depth at T.
Bushrod sucks, Brown is out.
Brown is a good tackle and a definite upgrade over Bushrod.
We need depth at T.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:51 am to NIH
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oh, i get it now. you're one of those dipshit fans who populate SR who believe this is high school football or something.
absolutely not.
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bushrod is terrible but he's OUR terrible LT.
He's not terrible.
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fred thomas was OUR cb on a team that went to an NFC title game, didn't mean he wasn't awful.
He wasn't awful that year.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:52 am to buzwa
stinchcomb allowed one sack? i don't find that believable at all.
i found this last night, it shows the class of LTs brown is in.
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Looked up some of the best 10 OTs. Mixed in some young guys for comparison.
Walter Jones, has played and started an equivalent of 11.25 full seasons= 5.08 per season on sacks allowed
Jeff Otah (only 1season played)= 5
Orlando Pace has played and started an equivalent of 9.625 seasons= 5.92
Max Starks 2.81 seasons= 7.65
Joe Thomas 2 seasons= 4.375
Tra Thomas 10.31 seasons= 5.81
Jammal Brown 3.625 seasons= 3.17
Flozell Adams 10.125 seasons= 5.30
Jansen 7.68 seasons= 6.28
Chris Samuels 8.5 seasons = 5.02
Heres the order 1-10 for the above players in least sacks allowed per season.
1. Jammal Brown
2. Joe Thomas
3. Jeff Otah
4. Chris Samuels(showing he is performing just as good as the young cats)
5. Walter Jones
6. Flozell Adams
7. Tra Thomas
8. Orlando Pace
9. Jon Jansen
10. Max Starks
Of Course, the top 3 are still young and haven't been beat up on as much as the rest.
Thats some food for thought!
Just another guy to throw out. Stephon Hyer is at 5.72 if you look at total games. If you look at games started its which we all know he hasn't started a whole lot, just 12 GS and 7.50 sacks allowed in 12 GS. He has come into games often but not started a full season yet.
i found this last night, it shows the class of LTs brown is in.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:53 am to buzwa
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Bottom line:
Bushrod sucks, Brown is out.
Brown is a good tackle and a definite upgrade over Bushrod.
We need depth at T.
welp, that's what i was saying all along for the most part.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:55 am to Chad504boy
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absolutely not.
you're taking this personal, how you can deny what i said is beyond me.
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He's not terrible.
you don't know football.
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He wasn't awful that year.
besides the point.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:55 am to NIH
I love how "sacks allowed" has all of a sudden been the sole gauge of evaluating a LT. 
Posted on 12/22/09 at 9:56 am to Chad504boy
i already posted the stats on his run blocking if you want to get into that. we were #2 in rushing off the left tackle last year.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 10:01 am to NIH
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you're taking this personal, how you can deny what i said is beyond me.
No i'm not. But I'm by far the complete oppo of a saintsreporter poster.
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you don't know football.
Evidently I do cause Bushrod is still starting for us. I really don't know what the frick is your whole point about a backup being forced to play for a probowl LT and you're bitching cause we don't have a 2nd premier LT just sitting on the bench.
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besides the point.
No, it was your point which turned out to be not a point at all.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 10:03 am to NIH
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we were #2 in rushing off the left tackle last year
you keep saying this, but if we were so good running behing Brown, why did our running game suck, but is suddenly great without a FB and without Jammal Brown?
Posted on 12/22/09 at 10:05 am to Chad504boy
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No i'm not. But I'm by far the complete oppo of a saintsreporter poster.
saints report posters take it personal when a player is being spoken about in a negative way. you fit that mold because you jumped in this thread right away mouthing off. buzwa and others simply debated the point but you came off as the insecure SR poster that makes our fan base look like a bunch of inbred retards.
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Evidently I do cause Bushrod is still starting for us. I really don't know what the frick is your whole point about a backup being forced to play for a probowl LT and you're bitching cause we don't have a 2nd premier LT just sitting on the bench.
chances are he won't be starting in the playoffs after that last massacre. maybe he will if he finishes off strong but i wouldn't count on it.
my point is that he's awful at LT and there's no beating around on the bush on that. he is a huge reason we lost on saturday.
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No, it was your point which turned out to be not a point at all.
it was a point i did not mean for debate. that's just sidetracking had we gotten into that.
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