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re: Anyone Surprised at How Devery Has come Around?
Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:44 pm to Edible Dirt
Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:44 pm to Edible Dirt
quote:
Lester and his flaming entourage got hosed IMO.
yep, basic conclusion is Henderson is better than Moore, but the coaches and Drew Brees just dont know it yet. And he just likes to throw it to Moore 80 times in a season and Devery 30 times because Devery is a "secret" weapon.
hosed, i tell you.
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Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:46 pm to Meateye
what have I done to bring you or the Saints fan base down?
Im not the one talking out of my arse. Or talking with blinded homerism.
Im not the one talking out of my arse. Or talking with blinded homerism.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:47 pm to Lester Earl
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basic conclusion is Henderson is better than Moore, but the coaches and Drew Brees just dont know it yet. And he just likes to throw it to Moore 80 times in a season and Devery 30 times because Devery is a "secret" weapon.
Dude, seriously, if that's what you think this 15 page debate was about then you need to reconsider your reading comprehension skills.
This post was edited on 7/10/09 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:50 pm to Edible Dirt
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Don't bother reading the 15 pages cus that's what you'll see. Even Chadboy chimed in with some sense making. Lester and his flaming entourage got hosed IMO.
So I'm hoping you aren't considering me part of his "flaming entourage" cause I think Moore is better.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:50 pm to Edible Dirt
quote:LINK
HIGHEST RECEIVING AVERAGE BY NFL PLAYERS IN 2008
(Minimum 30 receptions)
Rank Player Team Rec. Yds. Avg.
1. Devery Henderson NO 32 793 24.8
2. Bernard Berrian MIN 48 964 20.1
3. Justin Gage TEN 34 651 19.1
4. Vincent Jackson SD 59 1,098 18.6
5. Steve Smith CAR 78 1,421 18.2
Since being drafted in 2004, Henderson has averaged 21.6 yards a reception, the highest average of any Saints player with at least 100 career receptions. Of his 84 receptions since 2006, 26 have been completions of 25 yards or longer, including an 84-yard touchdown vs. Tampa Bay (9/7/2008) and an 81-yarder vs. San Francisco (9/28/2008), which also ranks tops on the team during this period. Since 2006, Henderson has recorded five 100-yard games, ten touchdowns and also rushed for a touchdown.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:51 pm to Edible Dirt
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Dude, seriously, if that's what you think this 15 page debate was about then you need to reconsider your reading comprehension skills.
thats what it boils down to.
It's hard to argue with the facts, but somehow you Saintard's keep on continually doing so. 15 pages worth
Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:51 pm to Meateye
quote:
(Minimum 30 receptions)
Rank Player Team Rec. Yds. Avg.
1. Devery Henderson NO 32 793 24.8
2. Bernard Berrian MIN 48 964 20.1
3. Justin Gage TEN 34 651 19.1
4. Vincent Jackson SD 59 1,098 18.6
5. Steve Smith CAR 78 1,421 18.2
I'm hoping you aren't thinking ypc is the most important stat. The only player worth note on the list is Steve Smith....and maybe Vincent Jackson.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:54 pm to F machine
Im just saying he did alot better last year. Before last year he was pissing me off in 2007 with the dropped catches( which was not lead by him but by T.O. that year). But he didnt do that as much last year.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:54 pm to F machine
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o I'm hoping you aren't considering me part of his "flaming entourage" cause I think Moore is better.
Whodat said Devery can slide right into the #2 receiver spot with no problem. He has greatly improved each year and has made himself into more than a deep threat receiver.
Chadboy brought out the numbers showing that Devery produces more than Moore per catch.
That's what happened in 15 fricking pages. :beatdeadhorse:
Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:56 pm to Edible Dirt
quote:
Whodat said Devery can slide right into the #2 receiver spot with no problem. He has greatly improved each year and has made himself into more than a deep threat receiver.
Chadboy brought out the numbers showing that Devery produces more than Moore per catch.
I know what's been said. I've been here reading it. I don't agree he's more than a deep threat though. And I know he produces more yards per catch. I don't think that makes him as good or better though.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:59 pm to Edible Dirt
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He has greatly improved each year and has made himself into more than a deep threat receiver.
05: 22catches 343 yards 3 TDS
06: 32 catches, 745 yards, 5 TDs
07: 20 catches, 409 yards, 3 TDs
08: 32 catches, 793 yards, 3 TDs
Has he improved each year?
people say he limited his drops this past year, yet somehow still couldnt set a career mark for catches or TD's???
quote:
Chadboy brought out the numbers showing that Devery produces more than Moore per catch.
which is a joke, considering he caught 32 balls. Compared to a guy that catches 80.
Its like saying a guy who goes 5 for 10 in baseball, being a .500 hitter, is better than a guy who hits .320 over 600 AB's.
absolute joke considering the sample size of each.
but you Saintards feed off anything said against me, but you cant even comprehend the stupid points you are backing. Wish is just hilarious to me.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 3:59 pm to F machine
Well you obviously haven't paid enough attention to the progression he's made since he's entered the league.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 4:01 pm to Lester Earl
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which is a joke, considering he caught 32 balls. Compared to a guy that catches 80.
Its like saying a guy who goes 5 for 10 in baseball, being a .500 hitter, is better than a guy who hits .320 over 600 AB's.
absolute joke considering the sample size of each.
very good analogy.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 4:01 pm to Edible Dirt
and I swore I wouldn't jump into this god damned cat fight
Posted on 7/10/09 at 4:02 pm to Edible Dirt
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Well you obviously haven't paid enough attention to the progression he's made since he's entered the league.
I've watched every Saints game since Devery has been drafted, and I'm not saying he isn't good at what he does, cause he is, but I think some people are overrating him. I just don't think he's capable of being a number 2.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 4:02 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
which is a joke, considering he caught 32 balls. Compared to a guy that catches 80.
Its like saying a guy who goes 5 for 10 in baseball, being a .500 hitter, is better than a guy who hits .320 over 600 AB's.
absolute joke considering the sample size of each.
boomfrickINGboom goes LE. game set match.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 4:06 pm to F machine
quote:I understand that's your opinion. But personally, I don't see how anyone can doubt it simply off the fact that Payton has taken Lance Moore ( UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT) and turned him into a number one receiver last year. So what makes you think he can't do the same with Devery just because he is only known for the deep pass? If you can run a route and catch a ball, Drew can make you look like a pro bowler. So the negativity against Devery makes no sense at all to me.
I just don't think he's capable of being a number 2
Posted on 7/10/09 at 4:08 pm to Edible Dirt
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I understand that's your opinion. But personally, I don't see how anyone can doubt it simply off the fact that Payton has taken Lance Moore ( UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT) and turned him into a number one receiver last year. So what makes you think he can't do the same with Devery just because he is only known for the deep pass? If you can run a route and catch a ball, Drew can make you look like a pro bowler. So the negativity against Devery makes no sense at all to me.
Cause Lance Moore catches the ball much better than Devery. I think Payton realizes that. If Devery was as good as everyone is saying, Payton might not have bothered to have to look for a player like Moore. I'm not being negative towards Devery. He is what he is and he does well going deep. You can't coach what isn't there, and I don't think Devery has what it takes to be number 2. Lance does because his hands are much better. I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying this, but whatever.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 4:09 pm to Edible Dirt
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So the negativity against Devery makes no sense at all to me.
Again, its not negativity. Just an opinion, that based on the past few seasons, is hard to argue with.
I cant believe the backlash in this thread for that simple statement. You can be a Saints fan and still be logical.
quote:
If you can run a route and catch a ball, Drew can make you look like a pro bowler.
because he hasnt proved he can do that, after 4 years.
Posted on 7/10/09 at 4:09 pm to F machine
Holy hell. There are 15 pages dedicated to this, and I am not going to begin to read them all. Forgive me if what i am about to say has been said already, but here it goes.
WHEN THE frick DOES PAYTON EVER RUN A 2 WIDE SET???
so, with that said, who gives a funk if one is the 2 or the 3, because they will be on the field together 90% of the time anyways.
and Henderson is not better than Moore. that does not mean he isn't good though. they are 2 WR's with 2 different skill sets and value to a team. one is a fast/deep threat wr, the other is a great route runner with sure hands, i.e. possession wr. they compliment each other, and the saints would be fine with either as the #2
/thread
WHEN THE frick DOES PAYTON EVER RUN A 2 WIDE SET???
so, with that said, who gives a funk if one is the 2 or the 3, because they will be on the field together 90% of the time anyways.
and Henderson is not better than Moore. that does not mean he isn't good though. they are 2 WR's with 2 different skill sets and value to a team. one is a fast/deep threat wr, the other is a great route runner with sure hands, i.e. possession wr. they compliment each other, and the saints would be fine with either as the #2
/thread
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