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re: 3 YR/$100 Million for Carr
Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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year5 number.
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He won't be under contract that year
Its a four year contract. Basically three.
Not five.
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SEA has a much more favorable cap situation
But they spent the money. We know what direction the FO chose and in that choice this was the best choice on paper.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:14 pm to paulbeasy
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Its a four year contract. Basically three.
Not five.
Meet the void year
There's no way this contract only affects the cap of 3 years. There's also almost no chance it's 3/100 unless you think we don't restructure his $30M base next year.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:17 pm to goatmilker
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this was the best choice on paper.
The best choice for 2023? Sure
The best choice for the franchise long-term?
Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
We know slo
Not my choice either but there is a chance...
Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There's also almost no chance it's 3/100 unless you think we don't restructure his $30M base next year.
So youre basically melting over this contract, which we all know will be restructured, especially if Carr does well.
Got it Karen.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 7:09 pm to St Jean The Baptiste
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He’s in the Top 10.
I don't think so.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 7:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There's no way this contract only affects the cap of 3 years. There's also almost no chance it's 3/100 unless you think we don't restructure his $30M base next year.
I hate this deal. But, what you are referencing is a way that we end up spreading 100M over 4 instead of 3 even though we only get 3 years of Carr.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 7:52 pm to paulbeasy
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So youre basically melting
I'm not melting
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over this contract, which we all know will be restructured
You realize that's a bad thing long-term, right?
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especially if Carr does well.
He's going to have a large cap hit on his void year, whether he signs a new deal or not.
Kind of like how Onyamata and Davenport have big cap hits on our cap this year without (likely) being on the roster. If either sign new deals, that new deal will hit in addition to this dead cap hit.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 7:54 pm to moneyg
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But, what you are referencing is a way that we end up spreading 100M over 4 instead of 3 even though we only get 3 years of Carr.
Which fricks that 4th year completely.
We're speculating about pushing $20-30M onto that year's cap, when we're likely to not have him on the roster.
This is in addition to all the money we're pushing back to years around that year by re-doing deals like Ram, Latt, etc.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The contract could be as short as two years and $70 million, with the final $10 million being subject to offset in 2025.
LINK /
Correct take in this article. Safe contract and could cut bait if we want to.
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You realize that's a bad thing long-term, right?
Not really, we do it all the time bud. The saints and the rest of NFL does it. Teams dont like to let guys they want to keep end up playing on the back loaded year of their contracts.
Restructures are standard practice.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:33 pm to paulbeasy
Wow……imagine what the Saints would have to pay if Carr was worth 2 sh*ts
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:No it doesn't He still is paid $100 million over 3 years. Cap and pay are not the same thing.
A. It makes the contract larger than stated in OP
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:35 pm to beauchristopher
quote:No way would I take Geno over Carr.
I would rather Geno, but really rather neither and go the direction of cheap and suck to get better long term.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:36 pm to paulbeasy
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You think Allen makes less than 40 mill a year?
Allen is by all accounts a top 3 quarterback in the league and can carry a team on the field to wins with his arm and legs. He is a crown jewel. He is worth $40mm+ annually. Josh Allen has scored 40+ TD the last 3 seasons.
Carr isn’t worth even sniffing that because he does none of those things. One 30 TD season in his mediocre 9 year career.
The fact that you’re trying to double down shows just how much black and gold dick you suck.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:39 pm to VictoryHill
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:49 pm to VictoryHill
quote:Nowhere did he say that Carr was better or even on the same level as Allen. You were cherry-picking certain years to define Carr's turnovers and all he did was point out a different time frame whereby Allen had similar turnovers to Carr.
Allen is by all accounts a top 3 quarterback in the league and can carry a team on the field to wins with his arm and legs. He is a crown jewel. He is worth $40mm+ annually. Carr isn’t worth even sniffing that because he does none of those things. The fact that you’re trying to double down shows just how much black and gold dick you suck.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:50 pm to paulbeasy
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Safe contract and could cut bait if we want to.
Assuming we didn't restructure his base next year that would eat up almost $20M in dead money in 2025
"Safe"
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Not really, we do it all the time bud
And our cap is fricked and we have contracts we can't cut because of it
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Restructures are standard practice.
It's just kicking the can unless the player takes a pay cut.
We are accumulating insane levels of future dead cap hits. Every restructure (especially if void years are used) adds future dead cap that robs future years of cap space.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:51 pm to NOSHAU
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Cap and pay are not the same thing.
The cap is all that matters
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:54 pm to NOSHAU
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Nowhere did he say that Carr was better or even on the same level as Allen. You were cherry-picking certain years to define Carr's turnovers and all he did was point out a different time frame whereby Allen had similar turnovers to Carr.
Because it’s not just about the turnovers. Everything else regarding Carr’s mediocre career has been beaten to death - the lack of wins, shitting the bed with a top WR and RB last year, no playoff wins, etc. but what I don’t see mentioned a ton is that Carr is quite the turnover machine. If you want me to expound on my statement, then 33.3mm for a quarterback who has no career playoff wins, a losing record, wasted Adams and Jacobs, mediocre numbers up and down, AND leads the league in turnovers through the last 6 years, then there you have it.
Of course I can mention that Carr is a turnover machine without having to go in depth about why and how Allen - despite turnovers - is a far superior player. It was a stupid point to try and make and honestly not worthy of dignifying with a response.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 8:57 pm
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