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re: Zion on Gil’s Arena
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:36 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:36 pm to brmark70816
quote:And how do you know that? It has been widely reported that he was not even offered up.
People scoffed, but he couldn't pull a top 3 pick in this past draft by himself. That's scary..
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:36 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I thought round about Z said the same stuff last year? Not hating on him but I remember a huge article where he similarly talked about this stuff.
He's not going to become a mature adult like Dyson overnight. It will probably take a few years of steady growth. Last year he took a step forward in hiring a professional chef and trainer. Now he's adding "stretching".
It's a good addition but he sounded really half assed about it the way he said it. I would have much preferred hearing about adding a yoga instructor, then at least we'd know he was taking the stretching seriously. I'm also not sure what the reference to LeBron's blueprint was. Maybe he's just not giving enough detail, but it sounds like he's saying and doing the bare minimum to shut people up rather than committing to change that will make him great.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:37 pm to NOSHAU
I mean its also widely reported that he was and correct me if im wrong most if the reports he wasnt offered up was after the blazers ended up picking Scoot.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:42 pm to TigerinATL
I honestly blame the AAU environment for his issues. These players get coddled in every way and when talent catches up to them in the NBA, they struggle to understand the daily regimen required to be great. Like Barkley said, AAU has been horrible for the sport of basketball.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:48 pm to NOSHAU
quote:Correct
And how do you know that? It has been widely reported that he was not even offered up
I was just talking about this in the other thread, how people take things as fact with the Scoot stuff that we don't know. This is a great example.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:50 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Woj and Shams were pretty consistent that no offers with Zion were made during the talks and reiterated it after the talks.
I mean its also widely reported that he was and correct me if im wrong most if the reports he wasnt offered up was after the blazers ended up picking Scoot
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:53 pm to shel311
No one is taking anything as fact. But lets play your game. Why should we take it as a fact that the Scoot stuff was never discussed? Because Woj, And Griffin told us after the fact it didn’t? The reports before the draft went both ways to be fair.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:54 pm to shel311
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Scoot
Woj and Shams were pretty consistent that no offers with Zion were made during the talks and reiterated it after the talks.
Well let me make a correction then, none of those fanbases wanted Zion instead of a top 3 pick. I watched a ton of Portland and Charlotte content leading up. Neither wanted Zion, unless it was part of a package. Maybe that's not worth much. But I don't think we realize how devalued he is after the past 2 years..
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:56 pm to shel311
Offers and discussions are different- its like silly wordplay that these journalists use. Im not disagreeing you but everything predraft both ways needs to be taken with a grain of salt but not completely dismissed either.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:05 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:No, Woj and Windhorst (and Shams I think) reported it several days before the draft.
I mean its also widely reported that he was and correct me if im wrong most if the reports he wasnt offered up was after the blazers ended up picking Scoot.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:23 pm to NOSHAU
Honestly its all semantics- did any report at the time of draft right before blazers made the pick they offered Zion?(I’m not talking days before; like literally on draft day when portland is about to pick) Because that’s probably when he was offered. Then we can get into the semantics og discussing Zion and offering him. Journalists do this all the time in sports and politics. They use wordplay to gage viewership but also protect what they report. Currently all the reporting now as far as they knew they never offered him and then trade doesn’t go through now everyone reporting they never put him on the table. Imagine if your Griffin and you’re trying to save face with Zion, especially if trade doesn’t go through. You would deny ever offering him. The biggest takeaway was Shams report they brought Scoot in for a visit just days before, which Scoot and his agent agreed to do. Why waste time unless you are seriously in contention to make the trade and only way that happens is offering or be in serious discussion if giving up one of your stars (not our draft compensation- because that doesn’t move the needle).
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:36 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:I agree that a GM would try to save face if turned down. However, it was widely reported days before the draft, on draft night and the days after the draft by reputable reporters that Zion was never offered. Not sure what else you want. It was also reported on draft night and afterwards that the Pels offer to the Blazers was draft asset based. It is almost as if Griff was trying to pull a Hail Mary thinking the Blazers would want a boat load of future 1sts to rebuild instead of Scoot. Regardless, from the information we have it appears Zion was not offered in the trade.
Honestly its all semantics- did any report at the time of draft right before blazers made the pick they offered Zion?(I’m not talking days before; like literally on draft day when portland is about to pick) Because that’s probably when he was offered. Then we can get into the semantics og discussing Zion and offering him. Journalists do this all the time in sports and politics. They use wordplay to gage viewership but also protect what they report. Currently all the reporting now as far as they knew they never offered him and then trade doesn’t go through now everyone reporting they never put him on the table. Imagine if your Griffin and you’re trying to save face with Zion, especially if trade doesn’t go through. You would deny ever offering him. The biggest takeaway was Shams report they brought Scoot in for a visit just days before, which Scoot and his agent agreed to do. Why waste time unless you are seriously in contention to make the trade and only way that happens is offering or be in serious discussion if giving up one of your stars (not our draft compensation- because that doesn’t move the needle).
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