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re: Why is Favors playing Center?

Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:04 pm to
Posted by 50407Tiger
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Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:04 pm to
You’re right, we are way off-topic......

Favors needs to play the PF position, that is all.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:11 pm to
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Favors needs to play the PF position, that is all.


Not in today's NBA. Worrying about traditional lineups and positions in 2019 is a fool's errand. He is a capable defender against basically every big man in the league, so 4/5 doesn't matter. What 4 players does he fit best with on offense? It's likely not going to include a back to the basket lane-clogger.
Posted by 50407Tiger
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:14 pm to
The system worked better last night in a slower pace, so yes having him along with another big will work in the Pels favor.....

I have already stated the lineup that I would suggest earlier in this thread.

Btw, convincing any of you morons means nothing because none of you have any input on the rotations anyway.

This post was edited on 11/15/19 at 12:24 pm
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:21 pm to
I like how he wants to say something about a word that is correct, yet still hasn't answered the question that was asked
Posted by 50407Tiger
Member since Oct 2019
1227 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:25 pm to
Was this an actual question about Favors, because this thread has been derailed with vitriol a bunch and don’t know what you’re referring to.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

The system worked better last night in a slower pace


1.87% slower, hardly appreciable.

quote:

so yes having him along with another big will work in the Pels favor.....


It worked out just fine last night. I will say that Jaxson Hayes looked pretty good last night, but he won't have the bulk to defend most NBA 5s for another year or 2. Also, Hayes was playing more of a traditional 4 role last night in the pick and roll.

Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:26 pm to
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Btw, convincing any of you morons means nothing because none of you have any input on the rotations anyway.


And you wonder why nobody will have a meaningful conversation with you. You can't go 5 minutes without acting like a little a-hole. You literally go back and edit your posts to inject assholery.
Posted by 50407Tiger
Member since Oct 2019
1227 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:27 pm to
What are you looking for Jester?

I want Favors to play the 4 role....what do you want from me exactly?

I don’t like him at C, that’s what I’m saying.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:32 pm to
You responded to the post...

What about Favors makes you think he would be better at the 4 rather than the 5 besides being "undersized" which he is not.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:33 pm to
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What are you looking for Jester?

I want Favors to play the 4 role....what do you want from me exactly?

I don’t like him at C, that’s what I’m saying.



It's a discussion. Have you looked at his career splits to see that he plays better at the 4? Did he play better next to Gobert or more of a 4? He's going to end up playing both this year.

You started a thread titled, "Why is Favors playing Center?" Then you started baring your claws at anyone who explains why he is. You've since jumped into a thread celebrating a 20/20 game from Favors to rain on that parade, too. I'm not quite sure what you're looking for in all of it other than blind agreement.
Posted by 50407Tiger
Member since Oct 2019
1227 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:44 pm to
He presents good defense against the opposing PF’s which the Pels have struggled to do so far with a smaller lineup.

He can set big man pick and rolls, while having another big cleanup any mishaps that might occur during PnR situations.

He can hit a mid-range and occasional 3 but by playing big, the Pels can score more baskets in the paint driving up the score forcing more 3’s from the other teams. This in turn can lead to better fast breaks which he can be the 4 running on the fast breaks.

He could use his size to box out opposing C’s to help on defensive rebounding from the other C on the court leading to outlet passes on fast breaks.

Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6112 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 12:58 pm to
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The system worked better last night in a slower pace, so yes having him along with another big will work in the Pels favor.....


the system worked better because Jrue was leading the offensive charge by setting the table for others while also being aggressive scoring. something the coaching staff wants Lonzo to do, yet he refuses.


I will say that this offense will look better when Zion returns for the sheer fact that Zion plays within the 3 point line, most of the time. And right now, this team struggles to get inside the 3 point line.


old school, Favors might be a PF. Today, in a position-less, fast-paced NBA, you'd get run off the court. See Jusuf Nurkic when we played the Blazers in the playoffs
This post was edited on 11/15/19 at 12:59 pm
Posted by 50407Tiger
Member since Oct 2019
1227 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 1:03 pm to
“Today’s basketball” = Live or die by the 3 ball psh

Doesn’t change the fact that Favors is the same type of player as Haslem, Mcdyess and Milsap.
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 11/15/19 at 1:10 pm to
genuinely asking a question and not trying to be a jerk. But in what ways is Favors similar to either Haslem, McDyess, or Milsap?



also how do you justify someone like Nurkic playing less mpg, scoring less, and not being on the court in crunch time against the Pels 2 years ago when they ran with AD & Niko?
This post was edited on 11/15/19 at 1:13 pm
Posted by 50407Tiger
Member since Oct 2019
1227 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 1:27 pm to
You would have to had watched them actually play to understand the comparison, stats don’t always tell the whole story.

The Blazers died by the 3ball because of “today’s Basketball”, I wouldn’t justify a big man sitting while the 3 isn’t falling and the perimeter defense was strong against Lillard and McCollum. I would say poor coaching led to the Blazers sweep, the Pels had a different guy step up offensively every game in that series.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20682 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 1:32 pm to
Why are y'all still egging on this idiot troll? Since we don't have mods to anchor dumb threads, we need to let them die.
Posted by 50407Tiger
Member since Oct 2019
1227 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 1:33 pm to
Thanks for your input but the adults are actually having a conversation about the thread title, you don’t like it you can leave.

Btw, this thread was on page 4 or 5 before someone said, Play Zion at the SG fight me or something dumb like that and brought it back to the top of the site.
This post was edited on 11/15/19 at 1:40 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20682 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 2:00 pm to
Lol, no.

The adults are explaining to you just exactly how big of an idiot you are.
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6112 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 2:01 pm to
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The Blazers died by the 3ball because of “today’s Basketball”, I wouldn’t justify a big man sitting while the 3 isn’t falling and the perimeter defense was strong against Lillard and McCollum. I would say poor coaching led to the Blazers sweep, the Pels had a different guy step up offensively every game in that series.


I completely disagree for a few reasons. First off when you have Dame & CJ, you let them take as many 3's as they want. Second, Nurkic sat because he was getting switched on and burnt by the Pels. Also couldn't keep up with the pace they were playing at, which is why we saw a ton of Zach Collins. Third, Stotts is a pretty damn good coach and made adjustments all series




My point here, and we are getting lost in the weeds, is that today's game is calls for a different kind of player. It's not just about 3's, its also a faster pace, more athleticism all around (including bigs), and players that can do it all (including bigs being able to shoot). Why do you think Zion & Jaxson Hayes were the first "bigs" taken off the board in the draft? What kind of young bigs are we seeing around the league?

KP, John Collins, Marvin Bagley, DeAndre Ayton, KAT, Embiid, AD, Jokic, Jonathon Issac, Mitchell Robinson, Jarrett Allen, Myles Turner, Lauri Markkanen. These guys are athletic bigs, most can shoot, and STILL many of them play the "5".


Players like Jusuf Nurkic, Steven Adams, Enes Kanter, DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard, Rudy Gobert, Andre Drummond, Clint Capela, etc are getting either phased out, or need to play the 5 with other athletic players to space. Favors is in this group. Guys like Milsap, McDyess, & Halem were more athletic than Favors, shot better than Favors, and played basketball at a different time than Favors.
This post was edited on 11/15/19 at 2:10 pm
Posted by Puddinhead
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
4299 posts
Posted on 11/15/19 at 4:09 pm to
quote:

by DeionDeion
genuinely asking a question and not trying to be a jerk. But in what ways is Favors similar to either Haslem, McDyess, or Milsap?


A fair and respectful question.

quote:

by 50407Tiger
You would have to had watched them actually play to understand the comparison


The reply from the kid that claims to want to have an honest conversation.
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