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re: What players would you take over AD?
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:18 am to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:18 am to iwyLSUiwy
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So everybody pretty much universally agrees Lebron is the best on the planet. AD is having a better season than Lebron, statistically that isnt up for debate. But somehow AD isnt elite or top 3.
Just b/c you score 27 ppg doesn't mean you're the best player in the world.
In the NBA, you win and lose on how you close games out. AD is not and has never really been a closer.
-AD scored 4 points in the last 5 minutes of the 43 point game against the Knicks, both easy alley oops from Jrue. He also missed TWO free throws with just over a minute left up 1. We lose that game if not for Jrue taking over the last 3-4 minutes.
-We all saw his shittastic offensive performance against the 76ers down the stretch.
-He sat most of the 4th against the Knicks b/c of his vagina, comes back with 3 minutes left and we are up 3, and we lose, and the only thing he contributed in those 3 minutes was a foul and 2 points in the meaningless closing seconds. Didn't attempt a shot until those final seconds.
-Against Minny, he got owned by KAT. He scored 2 points in the final 7 minutes of that game, he missed an easy alley oop to tie the game with 3 minutes left, he got blocked by KAT a minute later, and missed another driving layup later a minute after that. At that point, we were down 7 with 45 seconds left when he hit 2 free throws for his 2 points in the last 7 minutes.
That's 3 losses to teams we shouldn't lose to, and the blame lies heavily with the guy that scored 29,12, and 33 in those 3 games.
Yes he's a great player. Something i have been saying for quite some time now is that he has never taken the role of the closer on this team, and that's not an easy ask for a post player usually. But if he wants to be considered one of the best, then he needs to become a closer, and I personally have seen enough to know that he is not, and will not become one. making a lucky double clutch 3 pointer doesn't make one a closer.
His quote of "i have to play near perfect for us to win" has really stuck with me. Yes AD, you do have to play great for us to win. You're a great player. We expect you to score 30/10 most nights, and when you don't, we might not win. That's called being one of the best players on the court night in and night out. Do you think the Rockets usually win when Harden scores 15 points? Are the Blazers going to win if Lillard puts up 13 points? Hell he could score 30, but if he took 30 shots to do it, they probably still lose. That's what comes with being one of the best. You're elite. We expect you to play elite most nights. If you don't like that, then go join the Warriors or Celtics or Lakers where someone else can have that burden.
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Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:49 am to Water12321
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Lebron, Durant, Curry, Harden, Greek Freek, Kawhi Leonard, Jayson Tatum, Joel Embiid, Luka Donic, Damian Lillard, Jrue Holiday
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:51 am to Crewz
quote:I thought the OP couldn't be topped for absurdity, I was wrong.
I think I'd add Zion to the list.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:54 am to Stxpel
quote:The fans/posters are the only ones who look bad.
If his demeanor is this obvious to us, imagine how his teammates feel. Especially after all his stupid comments. The only one that looks bad in all this is AD.
Not all of em, but the ones who'd take Jrue and Dame and Zion over AD, yea those look bad. You should point and laugh at them.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:59 am to Stxpel
quote:AD was every bit as good as Jrue in that series. It's just people don't realize it because we expected him to be great in that series, and he was. We didn't expect Jrue to be THAT good. But AD was certainly just as good as Jrue.
Honest question: who’s stellar performances impact this team more, Jrue or ad?
If you had to pick one of the two, who’s play dictated our sweep against Portland?
Funny thing is, Jrue has had his equal share of shitty games this season, because that's what happens in an 82 game season. But we again forget about those, love Jrue(even though 90% of the board hated it and wanted us to let him walk when he signed his extension) but we only remember when AD has a bad game.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:59 am to shel311
Kawhi Leonard...who sat out an entire season because he was unhappy?
Love the rationalization of this message board.
Love the rationalization of this message board.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 12:04 pm to Crewz
quote:You got a long list of guys on that level asked to do that many things that give max effort 100% of the time in the regular season?
He is an ultra talented player who picks and chooses when to give max effort
No, you don't.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 12:10 pm to shel311
Zion over AD isn’t that insane if we’re talking long term and you’re predicting AD will be gone after this season.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 12:13 pm to WB504
quote:Well I don't think it's fair to factor in predicting we'll trade him after the season, but that's just me.
Zion over AD isn’t that insane if we’re talking long term and you’re predicting AD will be gone after this season.
That also was definitely not the point of the OP. yes, obviously if we decide to move on from him in the offseason, then the list of players you'd take over AD is in the 100s.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 1:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Just b/c you score 27 ppg doesn't mean you're the best player in the world.
I was posting that to show he was elite, not better than Lebron. And the 27 ppg isnt the only stat that was impressive.
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-AD scored 4 points in the last 5 minutes of the 43 point game against the Knicks, both easy alley oops from Jrue. He also missed TWO free throws with just over a minute left up 1. We lose that game if not for Jrue taking over the last 3-4 minutes.
Dude actually think about what you're saying. He had a 43 and 17 game, the pelicans win, but somehow in your eyes it wasnt enough. Come on man, gtfo with that.
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-We all saw his shittastic offensive performance against the 76ers down the stretch.
He had a bad game, nobody argued that. But even his worse game of the season was a 5x5. Thats almost a compliment.
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-Against Minny, he got owned by KAT.
No he didnt. KAT got off to a really hot start and AD had a nice game as well. KAT's was nicer but AD certainly didnt get owned.
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That's 3 losses to teams we shouldn't lose to, and the blame lies heavily with the guy that scored 29,12, and 33 in those 3 games.
Pelicans fans are the only fans that seem to think this stuff doesnt happen to other superstars or teams. I mean literally last night, the Lakers lost to the Magic and Lebron passed on the last minute shot. And its not the first time he's done that. Houston just got blown out by the Cavaliers, I doubt that Rockets fans talk trash about Harden like Pelicans fans do AD.
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We expect you to play elite most nights. If you don't like that, then go join the Warriors or Celtics or Lakers where someone else can have that burden.
And he does most nights good lord. He never said it was a burden for him or that he didnt like having to do that. Its our dumbass fans that say go play for someone else bc they dont realize that for the most part, he's doing exactly what they want him to do.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 2:40 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Dude actually think about what you're saying. He had a 43 and 17 game, the pelicans win, but somehow in your eyes it wasnt enough. Come on man, gtfo with that.
My point wasn't that he didn't play great, b/c he did. It was to further illustrate that he isn't a closer, and needs someone else to do that.
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No he didnt. KAT got off to a really hot start and AD had a nice game as well. KAT's was nicer but AD certainly didnt get owned.
Yes he did. Did you miss the part where KAT blocked him when we were down 2 with 3 minutes left. Did you miss the part where he forced a tough layup AD missed badly when we were down 4 with 2 minutes left, and again with 1 minute left? KAT got an and1 that put his team up 5 in that time span.
This was a surprising game, and i don't put much into it. AD has kicked KAT's arse almost every time we've played them.
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Pelicans fans are the only fans that seem to think this stuff doesnt happen to other superstars or teams. I mean literally last night, the Lakers lost to the Magic and Lebron passed on the last minute shot. And its not the first time he's done that. Houston just got blown out by the Cavaliers, I doubt that Rockets fans talk trash about Harden like Pelicans fans do AD.
Pelicans fans haven't won NBA championships, or seen a conference finals, or win 50 games every year.
I'm not overreacting to losing a those 3 games. I simply said we shouldn't have lost them, and they were mostly AD's fault. No big deal. We will probably win 6 of our next 8 and it will be AD that gets us most of the wins. It's a long season. It's ok to get mad about losing. If you're not upset when we lose, why are you even a fan of the team?
The whole point of my tldr post was that AD is not a closer, and he needs to be if he wants to be a top 3-5 player. If he can't get to that point, all he is is a really elite stat stuffer. He needs help, and Jrue is not enough. Adding a guy like Kemba helps with that. Adding a guy like Porter, does not.
I'm not advocating for AD to leave, and i don't want him too. And i have not been posting in most of these ridiculous threads about the recent play of the team and AD. It's a long season full of ups and downs, nothing new there. Utah and the Rockets aren't over .500. the media was trying to explain why one or both of them would finish ahead of the Warriors, who have been off to a pretty crappy start themselves.
This team today is not the team that will be playing in the playoffs, and i look forward to what trade we make.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 5:16 pm to Water12321
Dude you are a total clown
Posted on 11/26/18 at 8:18 pm to Water12321
Is this the thread for all the trolls to gather and talk shite? 
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:52 pm to Water12321
Change the thread title to the inevitable "What players would you take FOR AD?"
That's what has been coming for years now, this one being played, and the near future.
It's so obvious his agent change, was a setup to the inevitable. And the front office have continually failed to give him motivation to stay in quality pieces for true hope.
LAL, Bost, NY, Chi, Phi, Tor, etc..
That's what has been coming for years now, this one being played, and the near future.
It's so obvious his agent change, was a setup to the inevitable. And the front office have continually failed to give him motivation to stay in quality pieces for true hope.
LAL, Bost, NY, Chi, Phi, Tor, etc..
This post was edited on 11/27/18 at 12:01 am
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