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re: What big men are attainable?
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:55 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:55 pm to Dantheman504
Yikes. Wish we could swap out Matkovic for Duren...
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Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:57 pm to Pels_Yaz
There isn’t a damn thing you can say to me in defense of this franchise in this regard. I have PTSD from the days of Ajinica, Asik, Smhit, etccc and we STILL have done NOTHING to be a modern franchise or attempt to develop any true center. It’s honestly pathetic.
The only attempts in the last 10 years have been forcing a PF to try and play Center and then forcing minutes to a garbage project. And the worst part is that when both failed we still do fricking nothing about it.
The only attempts in the last 10 years have been forcing a PF to try and play Center and then forcing minutes to a garbage project. And the worst part is that when both failed we still do fricking nothing about it.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:03 pm to Pels_Yaz
And surely because we failed at drafting centers and failed at acquiring veteran centers we attempted to trade for a young center to develop right? Right? Nope we roll with Favors, then Adams, then Val all knowing none will be the “franchise” center and all without even attempting to put 1 not even 1 young backup behind them every year to see if any hit.
What do we do instead? Get a 30 y/o center with a 30 y/o backup and 0 players to develop. fricking genius. And nowhere in that process was there a decision to maybe think about continuing to draft centers until one isn’t shite.
What do we do instead? Get a 30 y/o center with a 30 y/o backup and 0 players to develop. fricking genius. And nowhere in that process was there a decision to maybe think about continuing to draft centers until one isn’t shite.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:05 pm to Dantheman504
Can we focus on today’s regime lol. I don’t understand what Ajinca or Asik and Dell Demps have to do with this?
Centers have changed drastically in todays nba. Its hard finding guys who fit because of switching schemes and the reliance of the 3. Lot of teams play small ball so many teams don’t want to invest in centers. Hence why its so hard to find good centers. You act like there are tons of great centers in this league. Go ahead name the top ten centers in this league right now.
Centers have changed drastically in todays nba. Its hard finding guys who fit because of switching schemes and the reliance of the 3. Lot of teams play small ball so many teams don’t want to invest in centers. Hence why its so hard to find good centers. You act like there are tons of great centers in this league. Go ahead name the top ten centers in this league right now.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:16 pm to ghost2most
There aren't many BI trades built around a center that would get back reasonable value.
Nerlens Noel, Meyers Leonard, and Frank Kaminsky are free agents that might provide more than Zeller. But I'd rather drop seabron and sign Jemison to a 2 way instead of those options.
Olynyk and Gadford are certainly attainable. But it's hard to get the salary requirements without giving up Naji, Nance, or a rotation regular.
There are also several players we could get using our MLE as a trade exception, but that would require a willingness to go deeper in the tax.
Jonathan Isaac would be amazing, but the Orlando owner absolutely loves him. He's not getting traded unless he gets hurt again, which would leave him with zero value.
Nerlens Noel, Meyers Leonard, and Frank Kaminsky are free agents that might provide more than Zeller. But I'd rather drop seabron and sign Jemison to a 2 way instead of those options.
Olynyk and Gadford are certainly attainable. But it's hard to get the salary requirements without giving up Naji, Nance, or a rotation regular.
There are also several players we could get using our MLE as a trade exception, but that would require a willingness to go deeper in the tax.
Jonathan Isaac would be amazing, but the Orlando owner absolutely loves him. He's not getting traded unless he gets hurt again, which would leave him with zero value.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:21 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Can we focus on today’s regime lol. I don’t understand what Ajinca or Asik and Dell Demps have to do with this? Centers have changed drastically in todays nba. Its hard finding guys who fit because of switching schemes and the reliance of the 3
You don’t understand that we have never ever made a serious attempt as a franchise to draft and develop a center? Yes it is hard finding guys to fit this role. It’s 100% harder when you don’t try and your franchise does nothing to make it a possibility.
AD didn’t work out. Where was the reset? Where was the attempt to replace him/ Cousins and get a center?
Hayes didn’t work out. Where was the attempt to replace him?
Val is not the answer, where is the attempt to develop anyone to replace him?
You’d rather let Val walk and then bring in a Nurkic until we do this again?
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:23 pm to mhasen1
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Nerlens Noel
The only other center we drafted and then immediately traded away.
Can we stop trying to find our solution with ANY center over the age of 26 and/ or not the starting center on a current NBA team?
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:33 pm to Dantheman504
AD was not a center. Cousins came in and got injured. AD left immediately.
Jaxson didn’t work. Its why we traded for Val and Nance.
Val has been productive but doesn’t fit Willie’s scheme. Hes still overall been a solid center. Nance played well when he got traded but has health issues and his play has been crap this year.
I rather trade Val for a better center or if cant find a trade we extend him since hes been decent.
Again this isn’t 1990s basketball. Yes, Jokic and Embiid are great but all the guys after them in the league are not even all stars. They’re replaceable decent starters who are replaceable like Val. The issue with Val is that Willie defensive scheme doesn’t really fit him. The franchise has tried but also not something you make a complete top priority when teams have been pretty competitive without top centers.
Jaxson didn’t work. Its why we traded for Val and Nance.
Val has been productive but doesn’t fit Willie’s scheme. Hes still overall been a solid center. Nance played well when he got traded but has health issues and his play has been crap this year.
I rather trade Val for a better center or if cant find a trade we extend him since hes been decent.
Again this isn’t 1990s basketball. Yes, Jokic and Embiid are great but all the guys after them in the league are not even all stars. They’re replaceable decent starters who are replaceable like Val. The issue with Val is that Willie defensive scheme doesn’t really fit him. The franchise has tried but also not something you make a complete top priority when teams have been pretty competitive without top centers.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:34 pm to Dantheman504
This was Demps not Griffin. Why are you acting like we had the same GM since this franchise came to nola???!!
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:48 pm to Dantheman504
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I mean ideally you then take Nance, Kira, Liddell and turn that 18mil into Lauri Markannen…. Or include Val.
Lol. That shipped sailed years ago and Griff failed to get on twice.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:49 pm to Townedrunkard
Lol dont you get started on the Lauri train.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 2:01 pm to Soggymoss
quote:I was not considering BI for Stewart at all. I thought you were just talking about big men you would like. I would not trade BI for Stewart.
There’s nit a chance in hell I’m trading BI for a downgrade at big man in Wiseman.
Detroit can like Stewart all they want, if they would want BI they would have to part with him.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 2:04 pm to NOSHAU
I was responding to the guy who proposed BI for Ivey and Wiseman
Posted on 11/15/23 at 2:06 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Gotcha. Misunderstood. BI is worth more than that.
I was responding to the guy who proposed BI for Ivey and Wiseman
Posted on 11/15/23 at 2:39 pm to Soggymoss
We do not want Wiseman. At all. That's not a serious rotation player for a team with any sort of playoff ambitions
Posted on 11/15/23 at 3:15 pm to Pels_Yaz
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AD was not a center. Cousins came in and got injured. AD left immediately. Jaxson didn’t work. Its why we traded for Val and Nance.
Yes and we did not develop anyone or continue to develop anyone after any of these moves didn’t work and after none of them have worked.
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This was Demps not Griffin. Why are you acting like we had the same GM since this franchise came to nola???!!
Why are you arguing with me over the only irrelevant information in my point? Your argument is “what does someone 10 years ago not developing centers have to do with our current FO not developing centers”.
Not developing centers. The answer is (Not developing centers)
Can you stop chiming in with “what does this have to do with” when I’ve made it obvious exactly what it has to do with?
Posted on 11/15/23 at 3:21 pm to Pels_Yaz
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The franchise has tried
Yes because drafting AD with the #1 pick in 2012 is “trying”.
We had to take AD at #1 and if we were #2 then we would have never even thought about drafting a Center.
The only serious attempt to add a center in the last 10 years was drafting Hayes. Not only did it not work out but he ended up unplayable, we didn’t get assets for him, and we never even tried to replace him.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 3:24 pm to Dantheman504
You havent made it obvious. Its 2 different gms. What are you doing blaming Tom and Gayle Benson for not developing centers????
I can understand somewhat you being upset that Griff hasn’t developed centers but wth are you doing blaming the whole organization on a past regime. You think Gayle should have hired Griff but demanded he develop centers because the last regime didn’t? Plus you need to stop making this such a huge point- developing centers in todays nba is not that big a deal. Being a competitive team is. In the west name a team outside of Denver that has a great center??? You think all the teams who don’t are bad organizations that never focused on developing centers? Its 2023 again not 1990s basketball.
I can understand somewhat you being upset that Griff hasn’t developed centers but wth are you doing blaming the whole organization on a past regime. You think Gayle should have hired Griff but demanded he develop centers because the last regime didn’t? Plus you need to stop making this such a huge point- developing centers in todays nba is not that big a deal. Being a competitive team is. In the west name a team outside of Denver that has a great center??? You think all the teams who don’t are bad organizations that never focused on developing centers? Its 2023 again not 1990s basketball.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 3:26 pm to Dantheman504
AD was not center. He doesn’t even refer to himself as a center so stop bringing it up.
Who cares if they didn’t develop a center? Again you act like theres guys like Shaq, Ewing, Mutumbo, Hakeem and Mourning playing in the league or something. The only elite centers in the league are Jokic and Embiid. Thats it!
Who cares if they didn’t develop a center? Again you act like theres guys like Shaq, Ewing, Mutumbo, Hakeem and Mourning playing in the league or something. The only elite centers in the league are Jokic and Embiid. Thats it!
Posted on 11/15/23 at 3:29 pm to Dantheman504
quote:I like this
CJ/ Jose Hawkins/ Mathurin Herb/ Dyson Zion/ Trey Turner/ Markannen
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