re: Trey Murphy shouldn't get the max

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All those guys were given the keys and had the opportunity to start and flourished. Trey isn't in that kind of environment. Hard to compare some of those guys situation to Trey's who only got to start when BI or Zion isn't playing. He'll never start over BI or Z. His only shot is to start over Herb and that's not going to happen under Green.

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Zion didn't play Trey's rookie year.
BI & Zion only played 12 games together last year. Trey averaged 15ppg during those other 70 games. In the 15 games neither of them played, he averaged 15ppg. Don't you think that would have been the chance for him to show something?



Again, i'm not trying to say Trey shouldn't get paid. I"m not saying he can't do somethign this year to warrant getting a max.
All i'm saying is he hasnt' done enough just yet to warrant a max contract, but he without a doubt has every chance to do so this year, even as the 3rd/4th option.
I don't think he'll ever be able to get his own shot off like BI does, or even like MPJ is capable of when he goes off, and MPJ is his closest comparison. Play more like MPJ, get a max at 25%. Play more like Cam Johnson, get 20%. And i think Trey is much more MPJ than Cam.

my man, you act like i'm trying to say Trey sucks.
Stop trying to make it sound like i hate the guy.

he's been in the league for 2 years. He is without a doubt a budding player. I'm not going to annoint him a max player after the first 2 years he's had. He still has work to do to prove that, and he without a doubt can.
You are right, his game has progressed a lot, and i want to see it continue to progress and sustain over the course of this year, and that's something i expect to see.

Can i not be reasonable and say i'd simply like to see what we all expect from him this season to actually happen first before i say he definitely needs to get a max extension?

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That was just year 2 with a crippled roster

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We were missing BI and Zion, which meant the door was wide open to take on the scoring burden. Guys score 20+ on crappy teams all the time. Why didn't that happen here? I thought we are supposed to have the deepest team in the league? Trey actually got worst without them.


MPJ in year 2, which was actually year 3 for him since he didn't play his 1st year, averaged 17ppg, 8rpg, 1blk on 45% 3 point shooting in the first 49 games with Jokic and Murray playing.
Murray went down and MPJ had the opportunity to be the #2 guy for 22 games.
he averaged 23ppg, 7rpg, 1blk on 44% 3 point shooting.

I'm sure you'll say, yeah but he got to play with Jokic, but the point is, he went from the 3rd option to the 2nd option and he without a doubt showed he could handle that roll. MPJ has taken over plenty of games when both Jokic and Murray play.
That's all i'm wanting to see from Trey before I say he's definitely a max player, and i do think he can do that.

Sheesh they’re some long posts on here and I thought my posts were too long lol

In short Trey is going to get paid a lot of money, not only do the Pels love him- everybody in the NBA loves him. Personally, I think Pels think Trey could be a potential star and I kind of agree. Out of all our young guys (outside BI/Zion) he has the most potential to be elite in this league. Something I love about Trey is from his personality to his interviews he oozes leadership qualities which frankly BI and Zion lack.

I never said Porter wasn't worth the max. I also never said Trey is definitely going to get it either. First you says he shouldn't get the max and now you say he has a whole year to show what's he's worth.

And then you get bitchy about it. You use bullshite comparison and now you fliplop.

Young Middleton, will get paid, not sure about max either.

4/80 range

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That's silly logic. Even if Trey doesn't get the max, he can still make more than Zion.

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I"m not disagreeing with you here, i think it is silly as well, but it's something that is brought up all the time when discussing NBA contracts and how players view that kind of stuff in the locker room.

I gaurantee you it pissed AD off when we gave Jrue a new contract a year after giving AD his rookie max, and Jrue made just a hair more than AD. Well it probably didn't bother him that much at first, but enough people(Cousins, Rondo, Rich Paul) got in his ear to make him realize that he should be mad about that.

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I"m not disagreeing with you here, i think it is silly as well, but it's something that is brought up all the time when discussing NBA contracts and how players view that kind of stuff in the locker room.

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The team goes out of their way to make sure everyone knows BI is the #1 dude and Zion #2, and also loves to leak negative things on Zion at every chance they get.

I think they'd be more than fine giving Trey more than Zion if they feel that's the number Trey deserves.

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I don't like paying people max money b/c i think they might be a max player in a year or two. It's a silly risk that shouldn't be necessary to take.

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This is a fair point. I think the answer also has to consider the overall state of a team.

I don’t think jaylen brown is a max player. But it’s clear Tatum and Brown as a tandem puts you on the precipice of a championship. So I think Celtics were right to sign him and keep their toe on the line of a title vs taking a step back in the hopes of getting stronger with a better allocation of cap space. In the pelicans case, we still haven’t shown our core group puts us on the line for a title so maybe it’s not worth reaching for a guy like Trey.

On other hand, you also have to be honest about what cap space means for a team like the pelicans. We simply aren’t signing too free agents to New Orleans. So if we don’t retain Murphy - what are we doing with that money?

A lot of people seem to be ignoring Market Value. You might not like the price of milk but if you want milk you got to pay the going rate. A lot of talk about how people don't like how NBA contracts in general work out. That's too bad, you want to keep Trey you pay what others are willing to pay.

Trey has 1 & 2/3 years left to prove his worth. I think one of the more interesting things about Trey is how many minutes he can get at the 5 and if he can finish at 5 against a lot of teams. He has identified getting stronger, rebounding, and defense as a priority. If he can pull that off by the end of his contract, he is worth the max then some.