re: Thoughts on this trade..?

Kawhi killed everyone tbf

Yeah Giannis as good as his just wasn't ready and just got Veteran'd

Will be much more experienced next year and I have them as my favorite

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I said it last night but you're potentially forfeiting prospects like Garland and Culver that could develop into 10-20 EWA type players for Robert Covington and what? Nassir Little? PJ Washington?

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I said it last night but you're potentially forfeiting prospects like Garland and Culver that could develop into 10-20 EWA type players for Robert Covington and what? Nassir Little? PJ Washington?

I just can't make any sense of it.

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FWIW, I mentioned that I'd be willing to take the risk on the #4 pick probably more than obtaining RoCo, but I'm not sure why you can't make any sense of it.

The #4 overall pick is more likely to become a below average player than even an above average player, much less an All Star. It certainly makes sense to take RoCo and get a proven player now to avoid potentially picking a guy who gives us nothing.

For exampe, since 2010 the 7/9/10 picks have had more Win Shares added than the #4 overall pick.

If Griff thinks a guy is just head and shoulders way above guys a few picks below, he should make the pick. Otherwise, we should probably trade down if we can add a RoCo and most certainly if we could add a Myles Turner.

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Garland might not be the next Steph Curry, but chances are based on historical precedence, even if he disappoints you can still probably package him with minimum filler to get a mid tier veteran from a rebuilding team two years from now.

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Josh Jackson isn't getting you anything right now. They can't give him away.
Dragan Bender isn't netting you anything.
Porzingis netted a lot.
Aaron Gordon might net you something decent after year 2, more now b/c he didn't make a nice jump until year 4.
Zeller, Waiters and Tristan Thompson weren't netting you anything special after year 2, or anything special later on, except maybe Waiters when he had a good year in OKC and got his next contract in Miami, which isn't really working out for them.
Wesley Johnson wasn't getting you anything.

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I'd rather the Boston trade if we are getting the Memphis pick with Hayward and 14.

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Hayward has 1 year left (technically 1+1, but semantics) on his massive deal. I guess you'd swap Solo and Moore for him and you would be better this coming season but I don't see much value in that. I think GH will be much better than he was last season, but I'd rather RoCo who is on a nice contract (3/36 remaining) and is a great fit.

With my basic understanding of the cap, dealing Solo & 4 for 11 & RoCo will create ~$4MM more projected cap space for the Pels. Or if you get them to throw in Okogie too, you still have created an additional $1.5MM in cap space. A GH trade involving Solo & Moore would reduce your cap space by ~$8MM.

I also don't see as much value in the Memphis pick as everyone else seems to have. We've seen how much harder teams try in seasons where they don't have a first rounder in the subsequent draft (ex: 2012 Twolves, 2019 Kings). I know the lottery odds are more flat than ever before, but I feel it will most likely end up being a lot worse pick than many people feel.

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Hayward has 1 year left (technically 1+1, but semantics) on his massive deal.

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he's not opting out of it.

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I think GH will be much better than he was last season, but I'd rather RoCo who is on a nice contract (3/36 remaining) and is a great fit.

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I agree completely. But i'd rather 14/20/Memphis pick over the #11 much more so than simply RoCo being a better fit than Hayward.

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With my basic understanding of the cap, dealing Solo & 4 for 11 & RoCo will create ~$4MM more projected cap space for the Pels. Or if you get them to throw in Okogie too, you still have created an additional $1.5MM in cap space. A GH trade involving Solo & Moore would reduce your cap space by ~$8MM.

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All good points, but i think we are pretty set and whatever we do in FA, it's just role players. There's one starting spot up for grabs, the 5 spot. You can get a decent 5 for $10M/yr or less.

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I also don't see as much value in the Memphis pick as everyone else seems to have. We've seen how much harder teams try in seasons where they don't have a first rounder in the subsequent draft (ex: 2012 Twolves, 2019 Kings). I know the lottery odds are more flat than ever before, but I feel it will most likely end up being a lot worse pick than many people feel.

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I do'nt disagree that the Memphis pick may end up being around 10 rather than 2, but what if we are 16 and we have 10 too, maybe we can move up in the draft like ATL is trying to do, or trade them. It's a very good asset to have, even if it ends up being a higher than expected pick.