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The Season long Lonzo Shoots Too Many 3s Thread
Posted on 12/1/19 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 12/1/19 at 6:37 pm
He fricking shoots more than JJ per game.
His defender walks away from him.
This is my nightmare
His defender walks away from him.
This is my nightmare
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 10:12 pm
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Posted on 12/1/19 at 6:40 pm to whatiknowsofar
He can take 20 threes if he's gonna make 50%.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 6:42 pm to eyeran
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He can take 20 threes if he's gonna make 50%.
JJ shot 75%, should he have gotten more opportunities?
This post was edited on 12/1/19 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 12/1/19 at 6:45 pm to whatiknowsofar
JJ has never had to work this hard for looks. The player that will benefit most from Zion being back is JJ because he’s going to attack the basket.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 6:45 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Absolutely.
JJ shot 75%, should he have gotten more opportunities?
Thats not a Lonzo issue though. I'm not gonna bag on Lonzo for making shots.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 7:27 pm to whatiknowsofar
If he makes a good percentage, he is free to shoot.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 10:20 pm to whatiknowsofar
Yup, I started it. Unbelievable... Lonzo is shooting 33% JJ is at 46% on the year. Green light approach! And Lonzo actually shot well tonight, but anyone can just launch threes in this system.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 10:39 pm to JSRG123
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but anyone can just launch threes in this system.
The sad part is: I think launch threes is the "system."
Posted on 12/2/19 at 1:30 am to Colonel Flagg
Has anyone asked why Zo gets 8 shots and JJ only gets 4?
Maybe because the fricken defence allows Zo have open reign and JJ is never allowed to be open.
Teams play defence. Even though we don't know what defence means for this team.
Maybe because the fricken defence allows Zo have open reign and JJ is never allowed to be open.
Teams play defence. Even though we don't know what defence means for this team.
This post was edited on 12/2/19 at 1:32 am
Posted on 12/2/19 at 5:49 am to Aussie_Pelican
That's too smart for this lot of complainers.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 6:13 am to Dayman
This is beyond stupid.
The Pels are currently hitting their 3s at 38%, which is 3rd in the league and very good.
Last night, they hit their 3s at 45%.
JJ Redick is taking 3s at a career high rate and hitting them at a career high rate.
If we want to point out individual possessions and shot selection, please do so. If we're talking about general trends for the offense, whining about 3s is incredibly dumb.
The Pels are currently hitting their 3s at 38%, which is 3rd in the league and very good.
Last night, they hit their 3s at 45%.
JJ Redick is taking 3s at a career high rate and hitting them at a career high rate.
If we want to point out individual possessions and shot selection, please do so. If we're talking about general trends for the offense, whining about 3s is incredibly dumb.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 7:33 am to corndeaux
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Last night, they hit their 3s at 45%.
And that is my point. They lost last night while hitting 3s at an extremely high rate.
Launching up threes--even if decent at it--is not a successful system in and of itself.
And when that is your system, without anything else to rely upon, you see what happens at the end of games.
This post was edited on 12/2/19 at 7:37 am
Posted on 12/2/19 at 8:05 am to whatiknowsofar
I thought Lonzo played well last night, and most of the threes he took were good threes.
When he gets to set his feet and has some time to shoot, he's been pretty good at it. It's the step back and deep 3's off the dribble for no reason that he needs to cut out.
He did get in the lane a good bit of times, but every time he did you could tell he had zero desire to even get close to the rim much less attempt a shot. I guess that's improvement over not driving at all. Every time he got in the paint he passed the ball, and most of those passes were lucky to not get stolen or go out of bounds. He looked very uncomfortable once he got in the paint.
I think the bigger issue is that Redick only took 7 shots in the game, not that Lonzo attempted more 3's.
Redick is attempting the least amount of shots per game in the last 8 years.
When he gets to set his feet and has some time to shoot, he's been pretty good at it. It's the step back and deep 3's off the dribble for no reason that he needs to cut out.
He did get in the lane a good bit of times, but every time he did you could tell he had zero desire to even get close to the rim much less attempt a shot. I guess that's improvement over not driving at all. Every time he got in the paint he passed the ball, and most of those passes were lucky to not get stolen or go out of bounds. He looked very uncomfortable once he got in the paint.
I think the bigger issue is that Redick only took 7 shots in the game, not that Lonzo attempted more 3's.
Redick is attempting the least amount of shots per game in the last 8 years.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 8:13 am to Dayman
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And when that is your system, without anything else to rely upon, you see what happens at the end of games.
Here's a fun stat.
We are 6th in the league in drives per game.
On those 48.7 drives we attempt per game, we are only getting 8.7 FTA out of them, good for 22nd in the league on the attempts. I don't know where we stand as a rate for fouls per drive, as i couldn't find that stat sorted out, but i'd bet we are bottom 10 easily. We are 19th in the league in FG% on those drives at 43.8%.
So......we either don't have the personnel to finish at an efficient rate, or we get fouled far too often without the call. I think it's a combination of both.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:01 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:GOod point. It is amazing how much contact BI and Jrue get without calls.
So......we either don't have the personnel to finish at an efficient rate, or we get fouled far too often without the call. I think it's a combination of both.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:22 am to Dayman
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Launching up threes--even if decent at it--is not a successful system in and of itself.
That isn't the system. Only people who don't understand offense think that. The system is to find the best shots available. The Pels are hitting 3s well, so they shouldnt take open ones? That's stunningly dumb.
The Pels are 16th in FGM/game at the rim. They are 15th in FGA/game at the rim. Dallas, with the best offense in the league, is well below them in both categories.
The Pels generate the most corner 3s in the league, which are the best shots outside of layups and FTs.
This board loves to take a small sample and make sweeping statements that make no sense.
The system is fine. The clutch offense blows. Is that a failure of the system? Maybe. Maybe not. So much of crunch time offense comes down to players. The Pels don't have a guy who can create well enough in those spots and they haven't learned which actions will work best.
I imagine when Zion comes back, that changes. You let him screen the ball handler and roll to the rim like a madman.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:57 am to corndeaux
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The Pels are hitting 3s well, so they shouldnt take open ones? That's stunningly dumb.
Not once did i say they should pass on open threes, or even say that they should take less threes. Read the posts. You are asserting a red herring to distract from my main point that there has to be something to rely on when it gets down to crunch time.
My point is, there has to be some semblance of an offensive plan (other than shoot threes and iso with Ingram) at the end if games. In crunch time, for example, OKC put CP3 in pick and rolls every time down. They had a gameplan and executed. There is absolutely no plan of "hey, here is what we do well lets go to it down the stretch," for the pels.
This post was edited on 12/2/19 at 11:00 am
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:59 am to corndeaux
Yes let’s do that. In crunch time, meaning a game within 6 points with 5 mins left, this team shoots 24% from 3.
Anyone can launch 3’s down 20 every game. No crap we hit the most threes in the league because we are always trying to climb back into a game.
Anyone can launch 3’s down 20 every game. No crap we hit the most threes in the league because we are always trying to climb back into a game.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:13 am to JSRG123
This is where the Pelicans are sorely missing a PG who can dominate the ball to close games, get to the basket and finish, or set up guys like Holiday and Ingram to get good to great shots.
Maybe we get lucky and land Ball’s little brother in the draft. He seems to fit that description.
Maybe we get lucky and land Ball’s little brother in the draft. He seems to fit that description.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 12:19 pm to Dayman
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My point is, there has to be some semblance of an offensive plan (other than shoot threes and iso with Ingram) at the end if games.
There is a plan. I'm sorry you only see shoot 3s as the plan. Here's thebirdwrites explaining this.
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In crunch time, for example, OKC put CP3 in pick and rolls every time down.
I addressed that above. They don't have a CP3 on this team. These are a bunch of players who have not played together. They are missing the one guy that will draw constant attention from defenses in crunch time.
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There is absolutely no plan of "hey, here is what we do well lets go to it down the stretch," for the pels.
They have not found what works for a variety of reasons, poor coaching may be one of them. I will guarantee the coaches have thought far more about this than the posters on this board. They may not have an answer that works, but proclaiming they just roll the ball out there is absurd.
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