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The Bigger Picture - 2021 Draft Class and Pelicans future
Posted on 2/21/21 at 2:52 am
Posted on 2/21/21 at 2:52 am
This is officially Honest talk. David Griffin dropped the ball with the Steven Adams trade and extension based on Adams injury and his body breaking down and most importantly the Pelicans cap flexibility. Griffin has shown many signs of thinking too optimistic with moves and players, and the stats show that Hayes and NAW will be Pelicans at least two more seasons before Griffin throws in the towel. Our roster construction is full of low IQ, Beta passive players who struggles with resiliency.
Luckily, the 2021 draft class is LOADED with potentially 5 Franchise changers, and 10 all stars. Also, this draft class has snipers (Corey Kispert), long defensive stoppers (Scottie Barnes), PG maestros ( Sharife Cooper), and really good potential players (Davion Mitchell aka Donovan Mitchell clone)
The Pelicans are who we thought they are, and their defense abilities will not improve this season due to lack of coaching adjustments from shorten training camps per SVG, consistency, and players who care about winning. The bigger picture is that realistically, the Pelicans have a shot to grab one of the five golden guys from a INSANELY stacked Draft and create a realistic big 3 (potentially big 4 with Kira improvements) instead of rushing the window with quick trades for Lavine and Beal which will ruin their cap flexibilities and bench depth.
The long term and smartest plan moving forward is rooting for Zion, Ingram, and Kira development, praying Zo is gone by the deadline so Griffin won't go positive vibes only in the off season while playing the Family Matters intro theme, and finding trade partners for Bledsoe, Redick and hell even Adams.
Grabbing one of these guys will make this Pelicans team a potential dynasty long term:
Cunningham
Kuminga
Mobley
Suggs
Green
Even if we don't move up in the lottery and pick around 7-10
Moses Moody
Corey Kispert
Scottie Barnes
Possibly Sharife Cooper
Will all be AMAZING players to add to this team. Gentleman, when we loose games this year, BE ESTATIC because this draft class can be something special.
Luckily, the 2021 draft class is LOADED with potentially 5 Franchise changers, and 10 all stars. Also, this draft class has snipers (Corey Kispert), long defensive stoppers (Scottie Barnes), PG maestros ( Sharife Cooper), and really good potential players (Davion Mitchell aka Donovan Mitchell clone)
The Pelicans are who we thought they are, and their defense abilities will not improve this season due to lack of coaching adjustments from shorten training camps per SVG, consistency, and players who care about winning. The bigger picture is that realistically, the Pelicans have a shot to grab one of the five golden guys from a INSANELY stacked Draft and create a realistic big 3 (potentially big 4 with Kira improvements) instead of rushing the window with quick trades for Lavine and Beal which will ruin their cap flexibilities and bench depth.
The long term and smartest plan moving forward is rooting for Zion, Ingram, and Kira development, praying Zo is gone by the deadline so Griffin won't go positive vibes only in the off season while playing the Family Matters intro theme, and finding trade partners for Bledsoe, Redick and hell even Adams.
Grabbing one of these guys will make this Pelicans team a potential dynasty long term:
Cunningham
Kuminga
Mobley
Suggs
Green
Even if we don't move up in the lottery and pick around 7-10
Moses Moody
Corey Kispert
Scottie Barnes
Possibly Sharife Cooper
Will all be AMAZING players to add to this team. Gentleman, when we loose games this year, BE ESTATIC because this draft class can be something special.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 2:53 am
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Posted on 2/21/21 at 4:59 am to Honest Man
I don’t really get to follow NCAA as it’s not covered over here at all.
I’ve heard the draft class is deep... what are we talking here? A few superstars / franchise players and a few all stars kind of deep?
Or just a couple of really good ones at the top and then good talent spread throughout?
I’ve heard the draft class is deep... what are we talking here? A few superstars / franchise players and a few all stars kind of deep?
Or just a couple of really good ones at the top and then good talent spread throughout?
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 6:30 am
Posted on 2/21/21 at 8:27 am to England_Pelican
Even if we have a high lotto pick. The scenarios are
Griffin is going to trade it for more picks or a vet.
Langdon is going to draft a high risky player with beta attitude.
SVG won’t play him in the lineup because he’s a rookie.
Griffin is going to trade it for more picks or a vet.
Langdon is going to draft a high risky player with beta attitude.
SVG won’t play him in the lineup because he’s a rookie.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 8:40 am to England_Pelican
quote:
I’ve heard the draft class is deep... what are we talking here
One of the better classes, potentially in a few years. Covid makes it somewhat harder to judge, but it’s been hyped for awhile.
There are about 5 high high level guys with superstar potential. Then there are a ton of guys with huge potential and several high skill role players.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 8:41 am to Fun Bunch
And OKC are gonna have 2 guaranteed top 10 picks in this draft
RIP us
RIP us
Posted on 2/21/21 at 8:46 am to duyp
I think Jaxson has ruined( hopefully) the pelicans on drafting “ potential “
Posted on 2/21/21 at 8:54 am to BowDownToLSU
Cam Thomas?
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 8:54 am
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:45 am to Honest Man
My hope for the Pelicans (building around BI and Zion):
1. Bring back Lonzo. I think we will regret this if we do not. #1 priority. I think he is accepting the role of 3&D and producing.
2. Bring back Billy on a hopefully reasonable deal to back-up Adams.
3. Bring back Hart if it can be done reasonably.
4. Trade Hayes and Bledsoe. Hayes has potential, but will be difficult to develop. Bledsoe is good, but doesn’t fit the roster.
5. Keep developing Kira and NAW.
6. Use assets to draft/acquire long SF/PF wings who can shoot 3s and defend.
1. Bring back Lonzo. I think we will regret this if we do not. #1 priority. I think he is accepting the role of 3&D and producing.
2. Bring back Billy on a hopefully reasonable deal to back-up Adams.
3. Bring back Hart if it can be done reasonably.
4. Trade Hayes and Bledsoe. Hayes has potential, but will be difficult to develop. Bledsoe is good, but doesn’t fit the roster.
5. Keep developing Kira and NAW.
6. Use assets to draft/acquire long SF/PF wings who can shoot 3s and defend.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 11:47 am
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:50 am to Colonel Flagg
The Hernangomez progress has been great to see, but I can’t imagine a world where he’s more important than Josh Hart.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:57 am to TotesMcGotes
They are basically the same priority. Both are very important.
I think Billy may be easier to retain though. There is also no depth there.
I think Billy may be easier to retain though. There is also no depth there.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:04 pm to Colonel Flagg
You think?
I think Hernangomez is much easier to replace than Hart.
I think Hernangomez is much easier to replace than Hart.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:12 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:
1. Bring back Lonzo. I think we will regret this if we do not. #1 priority. I think he is accepting the role of 3&D and producing
The disparity in the money between what he wants vs what the Pels want to give him, is quite large. Pels want ~$14 mil/yr and Ball wants ~$22 mil/yr. That's pretty massive.
The role is a whole other issue. Dude is a few years from being the #2 pick and has a massive following. It'll be next to impossible to tell him he's just a "3&D" guy.
We have resources & picks for days. What we don't have, is unlimited cap space. So even if we meet in the middle at $18 mil/yr & he's accepting of his role, that limits any future move you make. So you better be sure about Lonzo.
Everything has to be perfect for a Lonzo resigning to be a positive move. But I'm still not convinced that he's more than a complementary piece or worth much more than $15 mil/yr.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:12 pm to TotesMcGotes
Hart does all the right things for us, hustling, rebounding, giving effort on defense, and for some reason it seems like it gets almost overrated because he does it at a smaller size. I personally want to keep him, but I think he can be replacable with someone who is worse at rebounding, but better fit length wise and more capable as a defender.
Rebounding at a position he plays is not a priority, defense is though, and he is really just an average defender that tries hard
Eta: Want to emphasize that I do not agree with the idea that Billy is a bigger priority than Hart, just that there are other, better Harts out there
Rebounding at a position he plays is not a priority, defense is though, and he is really just an average defender that tries hard
Eta: Want to emphasize that I do not agree with the idea that Billy is a bigger priority than Hart, just that there are other, better Harts out there
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:17 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:
They are basically the same priority. Both are very important.
I think Billy may be easier to retain though. There is also no depth there.
Love Billy. And don't get me wrong, I want to resign him, he's played really well for us. But theres a reason we got this guy on the backend of free agency on a minimum contract.
To say he is a bigger priority over Hart is honestly laughable.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:31 pm to Pelefraan 1
Miami pick won't be in the top 10..
Eta: I see they have pick swap rights with Houston, can they swap a pick that's not their own?
Eta: I see they have pick swap rights with Houston, can they swap a pick that's not their own?
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:47 pm to DeionDeion
If Lonzo keeps up his production through the end of the season he is going to deserve getting paid. We are also asking him to chase around the other team’s best player right now. If we pass on Lonzo we will regret it. I was getting down on him because of his early shooting slump and turnovers. He turned it around.
Also we are getting great bang for our buck with Billy. If we can keep him on a cheap deal because he is already in the system that would be a perfect fit. He can be replaced, but it will definitely cost more or another pick. Billy appears way ahead of Hayes. Hayes has unbelievable athleticism, but he only seems to be their to catch lobs.
The main problem is I do not see Bledsoe in the future plans even though he is a good player. He is taking up a large portion of the cap. You can not pay both Lonzo and Hart with Bledsoe on the team.
Also we are getting great bang for our buck with Billy. If we can keep him on a cheap deal because he is already in the system that would be a perfect fit. He can be replaced, but it will definitely cost more or another pick. Billy appears way ahead of Hayes. Hayes has unbelievable athleticism, but he only seems to be their to catch lobs.
The main problem is I do not see Bledsoe in the future plans even though he is a good player. He is taking up a large portion of the cap. You can not pay both Lonzo and Hart with Bledsoe on the team.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:48 pm to Soggymoss
Houston's pick is protected 1-4.
I think OKC can swap the pick if not 1-4 range.
I think OKC can swap the pick if not 1-4 range.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:51 pm to nicj4
I'm trying to find the rules, but I'm pretty sure pick swaps only apply to those 2 teams i.e. OKC could only swap their own pick with Houston, not Miami's.
Edit: Looked up the original trade, OKC had language put in that allows them to swap the Heat or Clippers 1st with Houston. Bummer
Edit: Looked up the original trade, OKC had language put in that allows them to swap the Heat or Clippers 1st with Houston. Bummer
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 12:59 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:
1. Bring back Lonzo. I think we will regret this if we do not. #1 priority. I think he is accepting the role of 3&D and producing.
It depends on what you want to do with Kira.
If you want to put Kira starter, trade Lonzo and Bledsoe but it's true Lonzo can be this 3&D guy...
Kira is really bad at shooting on the other hand thus potentially a bad 3&D guy...But i let him time.
quote:
2. Bring back Billy on a hopefully reasonable deal to back-up Adams.
I don't think he will ask much but I could be wrong.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 1:10 pm to Colonel Flagg
Lonzo chasing around the best opposing player doesn't make him a good defender. It just says that outside of him, there are much much worse defenders. second, if Lonzo is chasing around the other team's best players, he's not doing so hot. Morant just had 28, Booker just had 23 (shooting 50% from the field), and Dame put up 43.
Yes his shooting has improved. But it took him a year and a half to drive the basketball. He still hasn't improved his FT%, he still can't create for others in the half-court, & he still makes low IQ plays. I will have zero regrets and sleep like a baby when he leaves New Orleans
Yes his shooting has improved. But it took him a year and a half to drive the basketball. He still hasn't improved his FT%, he still can't create for others in the half-court, & he still makes low IQ plays. I will have zero regrets and sleep like a baby when he leaves New Orleans
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