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re: Steven Adams to Pelicans in Serious Talks

Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:29 am to
Posted by Bronc
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:29 am to
I’ll take a crapshoot or future bundling potential for a superstar over a guy that we already know will be a less than ideal offensive fit next to Zion and likely will not be here for our contender window.

Though it is amusing how yesterday it was genius for Griff to trade off RJ Hampton falling to 24 for a future pick, now it’s a worthless asset that we should just be happy we got a one year starter for.
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:32 am to
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Again, you can get a competent center for nothing and not give up a first.

All of these rationales border on magical thinking.

He wants Adams, if you think Adams as our starter for the next 3-5 years is ideal, make the case, because if you can’t this isn’t the move you make


Then he could have got in really early today and slightly overpaid for one of these mediocre centres (and not use 3 picks probably), to be first to market.

But he didn't. He watched and waited until there was a good situation he could exploit. How did he exploit it exactly? It's not crystal clear yet, but time will reveal all.

On the surface it looks like we gave up 3 picks for a guy who's gonna command 27 mil over 4 years to re-sign who doesn't stretch the floor. Awful, awful value right?

It makes no logical sense to choose this option, unless he slept through until 11:36pm and went "oh frick, just about everyone's been signed, I better panic and do something stupid or we're gonna miss out on all the centres. Everyone's gonna hate me, but it's better than nothing." I highly doubt any of that happened.

It's gonna be good, trust me.

But if it's not and it all falls to shite, I owe you a coke.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:39 am
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:33 am to
Have you ever tried Grammarly?

Anyways, you cool with a one year rental for a first, I’m not. And I’m not really cool with giving up assets for a guy that is unlikely to be on our team during our actual window.You want wins tomorrow, that’s cool. I want championships, and I don’t think Zion/Adams is ever gonna be the duo that does that.
Posted by whodat24
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:33 am to
How many FRPs do we have in the next 7 years? Giving away one for a player on an expiring isn't that drastic. Also, we can't just look at this trade in a vacuum.
Posted by whodat24
Member since Oct 2018
2356 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:36 am to
I see now, you saw everyone liked the trade and just want to argue. You are so cynical. We have a GM who builds for the future finally and one move to fill out the current team completely negates that?

As well, complaining about grammar over the internet is pretty asinine. This isn't English class.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:37 am
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:36 am to
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Have you ever tried Grammarly?


First sentence is a hideous nightmare, but pretty happy with the rest.
Posted by YungBuck
Mandeville
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:36 am to
The same guys bitching now will be praising Adams during the season.

Never change Pels fans
Posted by whodat24
Member since Oct 2018
2356 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:38 am to
By the way, it's "anyway" not "anyways". Thought I would teach you a quick grammar lesson since you are so keen to point others' mistakes.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:39 am to
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But he didn't. He watched and waited until there was a good situation he could exploit. How did he exploit it? It's not crystal clear yet, but time will reveal all.


Seriously, some of you all sound like you are in a cult sometimes lol

Griff is a GM, not a fricking omnipotent being lol. He’s gonna win some and lose some

Very likely it simply looks like Griffin puts a value on a type of player and in a way I don’t agree with.

Unless there is some magical missing component it seems very likely the core of this deal is Adams for the Nuggets first and two second rounders. With some sort of additional salary going out.

That means Griff values Adams pretty highly. I don’t. So if others do, cool, I’m willing to hear the case beyond PnR number playing alongside two of the best of this era.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:43 am
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:41 am to
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First sentence is a hideous nightmare, but pretty happy with the rest.


Just to be clear though, that Grammarly comment wasn’t directed at you. That was meant for the wall of rage text directed at me at the bottom of the last page
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:42 am
Posted by lovepurplelivegold14
Member since Jun 2014
396 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:42 am to
What you don't understand is the Steven Adams does not hinder the Pelicans future, they still have a ton of draft picks. What is so special about a future lottery protected pick? Like bro be realistic. That pick ain't turning into much and we have a pick in that draft anyway. Im sorry, im not banking on a late first round pick becoming anything more than a bench piece. Like damn the Pels got the two budding superstars they want to develop. Like damn the Pels and Zion himself should want to work on Zion to develop a mid range shot, develop his three point shot. You get an interior defender and instead of Zion getting beat up every game, you allow him to grow his offensive game.
Posted by whodat24
Member since Oct 2018
2356 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:42 am to
The core of this deal is two second rounders for Steven Adams. The FRP is to shed the salary of Bledsoe and unknown. You want Griff to look to the future, correct? Then we probably shouldn't have 18 million tied up until 2023 in a 30 year old point guard.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:44 am
Posted by PrayingMantis
Member since Jul 2013
1295 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:46 am to
Can we just wait till the trade is completed. Every time this happens everyone freaks out then the details come out and we start praising Griff.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:47 am to
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What you don't understand is the Steven Adams does not hinder the Pelicans future


He doesn’t do much to help it either....Unless you are in the Demps mindset of an accelerated timeline or think Adams is genuinely the ideal center for Zion for the next 3-5 years.

I don’t, so I’d rather hold onto any and all assets I can to load them up for the players I think do fit.

It’s a very straight forward thought process.

Hopefully there is more to this deal but if it is like you seem to think and be ok with, a simple first for a one year rental and few extra wins, frick that
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:48 am
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:50 am to
The TD hive mind has come up with the major criticisms, in no particular order, but all equally valid


1. Bad fit next to Zion because he doesn't space the floor and the flow on effects of this.
2. Gonna be too expensive to re-sign, considering the opportunity cost of this. Monies could be spent much more effectively elsewhere.
3. 3 picks!!! used to get him, diluting our asset pool. Affects future draft acquisitions and trades.
4. Adams was unfaithful to a member of their immediate family and/or friend(s), what a shite count, die now.
5. Griffin is short sighted, reckless and doesn't think things through, the dancing banana emoji could do a better job. I could definitely do a much better job.


Have I missed any fam?
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:56 am
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:55 am to
Listing out valid criticisms mixed with arguments people aren’t making, punctuated with purposed exaggeration, done with a snarky attitude, doesn’t actually invalidate them.

I get it’s the lazy way to go about it by attempting to farm Griffin Stans to pile on, but I’ve asked repeatedly to make the case on the merits and you haven’t. So if this is what you are resorting to what does it say about your position?
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:59 am
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
65258 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:55 am to
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The same guys bitching now will be praising Adams during the season.


Adams is a really solid player. Just don’t like selling off part of our future for him. He’s got a lot of miles on him even though he’s just 27.

Will be interesting to see the strategy going forward
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:57 am
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6112 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:58 am to
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Anyways, you cool with a one year rental for a first, I’m not


This is such a simple way of thinking. It’s not just a rental. It’s a locker room guy, a vet, a position of need, a skill that you greatly lack, it’s giving yourself a ton of cap flexibility to either use in a trade or to sign someone next offseason, and a dude that actually helps you be competitive.

Will Adams be here long-term? I don’t even think Griff knows the answer to that. But you cannot get everyone on your hopefully “championship roster” this season
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 3:04 am to
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This is such a simple way of thinking. It’s not just a rental. It’s a locker room guy, a vet, a position of need, a skill that you greatly lack, it’s giving yourself a ton of cap flexibility to either use in a trade or to sign someone next offseason, and a dude that actually helps you be competitive.


Seriously, read the whole fricking post. Nothing I can’t stand more than ADHD simpletons that read one sentence and take the entire thing out of context to get on a soap box.

It’s fricking obvious that Griffin isn’t just doing this for one year(that poster I responded to seems more than cool with that being the case though). He seems to see Adams as a long term piece, otherwise he wouldn’t give up these assets. My position is simple, I don’t see the value. I don’t see the fit. I don’t see him as the center on a Zion contender. And I don’t see how the cost to get a veteran presence is justified. Vets are all over, you don’t need to spend a first and seconds for that. But like the other poster this feels like a red herring. Adams is being traded for because Griff thinks he is a long term piece, I don’t see it, if you do I’m willing to hear it
Posted by whodat24
Member since Oct 2018
2356 posts
Posted on 11/21/20 at 3:04 am to
Bronc wants us to hoard picks like Presti and then never use them like Ainge. In 3 years when we trade for a star to contend I can guarantee he's gonna hate giving up those assets.

This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 3:07 am
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