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re: So which prospects in the top 10 can shoot or rim protect?
Posted on 3/18/23 at 5:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/18/23 at 5:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We've recycled capital on guys like Favors, Adams, Val, etc. to win now. shite he tried to sign near-40 Kyle Lowry before last year.
Which is all in the name of that sweat equity crap he used to preach ad nauseum
Which, there is truth to it, but the evidence seems to point to that the vet guys you need to get have to be already established leaders AND guys that can prove it on the court as one of your best 2-3 players.
Adams, Favors, Reddick, those are career get-along role players. They aren’t culture setters. They are culture compliments. CJ is the only one that really fits that mold and even then we are seeing the limitations.
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Posted on 3/18/23 at 7:00 pm to Bronc
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Reddick, those are career get-along role players. They aren’t culture setters.
reddick worked his arse off.
his prime was nice.
a fine example of work ethic.
Posted on 3/18/23 at 10:21 pm to DallasTiger45
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A guy I think is probably a good bet for us is Keyonte George.
Maybe he improves but I’m just not high on him. Only 6’4, doesn’t have a quick first step, struggles to create separation at the college level and has to take tough shots. Just kind of see him as a Jaden Hardy/Johnny Davis type. He’ll either be one or the other
There’s like 12 other guys I like more. But if we’re picking at 12 and the expected guys are gone already plus Hendricks and Dick I’d be okay with taking him.
This post was edited on 3/18/23 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 3/18/23 at 10:26 pm to Macintosh504
Off court aside, Miller is exactly what the Pels need.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:50 am to DallasTiger45
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Brandon Miller and Gradey Dick are probably the 2 best shooters in the lottery. Miller will likely be out of range for where we draft. I think Dick is more of a late lottery guy so he would probably fit more in our projected range.
The Hawkins kid from UCONN is pretty close. Pretty traditional, non switchable two guard though.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:52 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Taylor Hendricks. 40% 3P and 1.8 blks/g. I am begging the pels to draft him.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:06 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Taylor Hendricks. 40% 3P and 1.8 blks/g. I am begging the pels to draft him.
6'10" 210 "big". No thanks. sounds more like a wing than a big.
I'll take Adem Bona from UCLA. Don't expect him to become a 3 point shooter, but he can be a dominant defensive force at the 5.
6'10" 235 with a 7'4" wingspan and is very quick and athletic for being so big. That is the kind of 5 i want, and the kind you need if you want a 5 that can defend in the playoffs
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:33 pm to TeddyPadillac
I really miss Jrue so I would say Cason Wallace if we are top 10. Hoping Ej Liddell/Karlo Martkovic will pan out and can play the back up for us.
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:35 pm to TeddyPadillac
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6'10" 210 "big". No thanks. sounds more like a wing than a big.
I'll take Adem Bona from UCLA. Don't expect him to become a 3 point shooter, but he can be a dominant defensive force at the 5.
6'10" 235 with a 7'4" wingspan and is very quick and athletic for being so big. That is the kind of 5 i want, and the kind you need if you want a 5 that can defend in the playoffs
Why not...both?
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:51 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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The Hawkins kid from UCONN is pretty close. Pretty traditional, non switchable two guard though.
Yea I like Hawkins. Was thinking he was more of 20-30 overall prospect but saw O'Connor had him 16th or so in his draft ranking
He can fill it up for sure
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:56 pm to htran90
I'm not interested in drafting the next top 10 bust, which is most likely to happen when you draft a tall skinny guy to be a big for you.
Just a reminder that Bam was 6'9" 242 with a 7'3" wingspan when drafted. JJJ was 6'10" 235 with a 7'5" wingspan.
Jarrett Allen was 6'10" 230 with a 7'5" wingspan. Nick Richards was 6'11" 240 with a 7'3" wingspan. Nic Claxton was small at 6'11" 220 with a 7'2" wingspan. Daniel Gafford was 6'10" 240 with a 7'2" wingspan.
If you want a big, then get a big. Don't draft this 200-210 "big" and expect them to play the 5 or small ball 5. Just b/c they blocked some shots in college doesn't mean they'll do it in the NBA.
Adem Bona will be a starting center in the NBA b/c of his defensive versatility.
Jarace Walker is another guy I'd be interested in. See a lot of Paul Millsap in him, but a bit quicker with his feet and more athletic. He's only 6'8" but he's 235 and has a 7'2" wingspan.
Just a reminder that Bam was 6'9" 242 with a 7'3" wingspan when drafted. JJJ was 6'10" 235 with a 7'5" wingspan.
Jarrett Allen was 6'10" 230 with a 7'5" wingspan. Nick Richards was 6'11" 240 with a 7'3" wingspan. Nic Claxton was small at 6'11" 220 with a 7'2" wingspan. Daniel Gafford was 6'10" 240 with a 7'2" wingspan.
If you want a big, then get a big. Don't draft this 200-210 "big" and expect them to play the 5 or small ball 5. Just b/c they blocked some shots in college doesn't mean they'll do it in the NBA.
Adem Bona will be a starting center in the NBA b/c of his defensive versatility.
Jarace Walker is another guy I'd be interested in. See a lot of Paul Millsap in him, but a bit quicker with his feet and more athletic. He's only 6'8" but he's 235 and has a 7'2" wingspan.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 5:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
Don't think Bona is coming out this year. Way too raw imo.
I hate this draft because role players like Walker, Black, and Dick is going to be over drafted because the top prospects have really disappointed.
Whitmore, Smith Jr., Whitehead, George, and the Thompsons are going into the draft with more question marks than they had going into college/OTE.
As far as our development ability goes, I'd be nervous to draft any underclassmen that requires physical development or offensive development. With our track record, it'll be a waste of a pick at this point.
I hate this draft because role players like Walker, Black, and Dick is going to be over drafted because the top prospects have really disappointed.
Whitmore, Smith Jr., Whitehead, George, and the Thompsons are going into the draft with more question marks than they had going into college/OTE.
As far as our development ability goes, I'd be nervous to draft any underclassmen that requires physical development or offensive development. With our track record, it'll be a waste of a pick at this point.
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 3/20/23 at 5:52 pm to supe12sta12z
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As far as our development ability goes, I'd be nervous to draft any underclassmen that requires physical development or offensive development. With our track record, it'll be a waste of a pick at this point.
This can't be stated enough. Doesn't matter who's drafting them. It's just really a stupid decision, especially when you're picking top 14 to pick a young player that needs a lot of developing to basic basketball skills, or you hope can get bigger/stronger.
Picking a guy like Shaedon Sharpe, who has all-star potential offensive skills, is a good risk. Same with Dyson b/c of his elite defense.
Picking a guy like Ousmane Dieng, who can't shoot and his shot looks shitty, and he isn't a good ball handler, is a dumb risk.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:03 pm to supe12sta12z
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Don't think Bona is coming out this year. Way too raw imo.
He hasn't been discussed as a first rounder, so he may not.
He was the freshman player of the year, and made 1st team all defense in the Pac12, only freshman on the list.
I really don't care about his offense. He's a big that's going to get points by being super aggressive and simply being more athletic than the guy guarding him. Basically what Jarrett Allen does, who averages 14/10 with 90% of his shots coming from inside 10'.
If you can play end of game defense as a 5, you're worth more to me than a big that can shoot but is a gigantic hole on defense. Being disruptive on the offensive board and a threat to be an efficient rim runner off high picks can be just as important as standing in the corner and knocking down 3's.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:38 pm to shel311
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Zion plays under 30 games again, then he shouldn't be safe either... not that he'd have much value.
which is why you trade him before that... i'd gladly give up Zion for Wemby...
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:41 pm to chRxis
Cmon man nobody’s trading the first pick in the draft for Zion
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:46 pm to saintslsupels
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Cmon man nobody’s trading the first pick in the draft for Zion
oh, you'd probably have to part with a lot, but i damn sure would at least try... especially while he has some value... if he goes another season without playing in over half the games, he has 0 trade value...
$33 million a year to play 30 games a season... that ain't helping us... you already know he's going to come into next season overweight, having neglected the responsibility of taking care of himself to help avoid injury... it's almost a certainty at this point
Posted on 3/20/23 at 7:28 pm to chRxis
If I were the pels I’m going to build this roster as if zion wasn’t on it. He hasn’t been healthy enough to build around. If the BPA is a 4 then take him. He’ll probably play more games than zion anyway
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:02 pm to Balsamic_duck
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If I were the pels I’m going to build this roster as if zion wasn’t on it.
EXACTLY... that's basically what i'm saying... at this point, you can't count on him
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:23 pm to chRxis
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gladly give up Zion for Wemby...
gladly means the other team rejects that particular offer.
plus TDGM notes that zion makes more than first year wemby so the wemby team has to throw in another guy.
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