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So what trade are we realistically looking at
Posted on 1/28/21 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 2:58 pm
We aren't getting Beal, so what kind of trade are we realistically looking at with the mentioned players
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:00 pm to J_Hingle
Well, we aren't in buyer mode currently we are in sellers mode.
So the real question is what kind of players and assets can we get in return for Lonzo Ball, JJ Redick, Eric Bledsoe, and Josh Hart?
So the real question is what kind of players and assets can we get in return for Lonzo Ball, JJ Redick, Eric Bledsoe, and Josh Hart?
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:00 pm to J_Hingle
Why, to "save the season?".
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:04 pm to Fun Bunch
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So the real question is what kind of players and assets can we get in return for Lonzo Ball, JJ Redick, Eric Bledsoe, and Josh Hart?
Yeah this is more along the lines I was thinking
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:07 pm to J_Hingle
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We aren't getting Beal, so what kind of trade are we realistically looking at with the mentioned players
Not sure why you think we can’t get Beal. If we trade Lonzo, Bledsoe and / or JJ, we will probably get a top 5 pick. That’s a good trade piece for Beal.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:14 pm to higgsBoson
Not if but when he demands a trade, it will probably be a short list of preferred destinations and New Orleans will not be on it.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:44 pm to J_Hingle
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Yeah this is more along the lines I was thinking
I think pretty good arguments can be made for Lonzo being a good fit in Portland and Golden State, so those 2 are probably interested. If the Knicks/Hornets have any interest too you could actually get a good deal for Lonzo. Maybe a rotation player and future 1st.
I think you can possibly get a similar return for JJ and Bledsoe. I like the idea Teddy's been pushing of JJ to Boston for a future 1st because they have a trade exception they can use for JJ that clears up enough cap space to make trading Lonzo or Bledsoe less complicated. I also look at how Griff expanded the Jrue trade to so many other teams and think that's probably how you maximize value.
For instance
Lonzo and 2nds to GS for Oubre and a future 1st.
Oubre and future 1st to Atlanta for Cam Reddish and Tony Snell
If it ends up being the low end of what we've seen, Lonzo for another rotation player, then Griff failed. But I think he can wheel and deal his way to something like the above which is what he did with Adams. And then people will 2nd guess the move and say how bad Reddish is shooting and that they should have kept Oubre and the 1st
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:51 pm to Fun Bunch
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Josh Hart
No thanks. He can stay.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:53 pm to TotesMcGotes
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No thanks. He can stay.
He hasn't played well so far, he is going to be an RFA, his tweet like regarding trading JJ makes me a bit curious if he wants to be here (to go along with his comment about not being able to work on his shot because other players got priority).
I'm not saying dump him. But if someone makes a nice offer for him fine. We shouldn't be married to anyone but Ingram and Zion.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 4:55 pm to higgsBoson
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If we trade Lonzo, Bledsoe and / or JJ, we will probably get a top 5 pick.
If Griffin turned those guys into a top-5 pick, we should build a Griffin statue.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 5:14 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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If Griffin turned those guys into a top-5 pick, we should build a Griffin statue.
I think the implication is that the team will be so bad that they get a top 5 pick, not that Griff can sell so much snake oil that he could get a top 5 pick for those 3. Although he is good at selling the snake oil.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 5:58 pm to TigerinATL
Obviously, people have wildly varying perceptions about what our players are worth, but I would guess that trade value today for the three would be:
Lonzo: 16th pick in the draft
Bledsoe: 27th pick in the draft
Redick: 37th pick in the draft
Obviously, we would end up getting players back in any such trade, so their value would change those numbers. Again, if you want to tell me that I'm an idiot, please feel free, because I think that there's room for a wide difference of opinion on these guys.
Lonzo: 16th pick in the draft
Bledsoe: 27th pick in the draft
Redick: 37th pick in the draft
Obviously, we would end up getting players back in any such trade, so their value would change those numbers. Again, if you want to tell me that I'm an idiot, please feel free, because I think that there's room for a wide difference of opinion on these guys.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:20 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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If Griffin turned those guys into a top-5 pick, we should build a Griffin statue
No I’m saying we’ll be so bad that our own pick will be top 5
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Lonzo: 16th pick in the draft
Bledsoe: 27th pick in the draft
Redick: 37th pick in the draft
I definitely do not agree.
Redick will be worth more to contenders than both those other guys in my opinion. I could see someone like Boston giving up their pick to take Redick into their TPE (I believe they can).
I have no idea on Bledsoe’s value given he is paid a pretty penny next year and then I’d guaranteed a little over 3 mill the next
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:21 pm to TigerinATL
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I like the idea Teddy's been pushing of JJ to Boston for a future 1st because they have a trade exception they can use for JJ that clears up enough cap space to make trading Lonzo or Bledsoe less complicated.
No way Boston is wasting their 27 mil trade exception on JJ...that’s wishful thinking.
Guarantee they are looking to make a move for someone who’s making max deal money that is looking for a change of scenery.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:24 pm to TechTiger
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Guarantee they are looking to make a move for someone who’s making max deal money that is looking for a change of scenery.
That kind of deal would require Ainge sending out serious assets which he's seemed pretty reluctant to do every time he's had a chance.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:33 pm to TigerinATL
They don’t make a deal to get a trade exception that high, to just take in someone like JJ. They are gunning for a big that is possibly expiring like Aldridge or Aaron Gordon. Maybe Myles Turner.
But if I’m Boston....I’m waiting on KAT to demand a trade, and the way this year is going for the Wolves....that could happen soon.
But if I’m Boston....I’m waiting on KAT to demand a trade, and the way this year is going for the Wolves....that could happen soon.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 9:40 pm to J_Hingle
Something involving a Pg. Could be trade or grabbing an earlier draft pick
Posted on 1/28/21 at 10:04 pm to TechTiger
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They don’t make a deal to get a trade exception that high,
Teams end up letting large trade exceptions expire quite regularly. Beal and KAT both make too much money for the exception to be useful. So who are they going to target that would be worth giving up say Brown and picks but makes under $28.5?
Looking through player salaries LINK I don't see anyone that is both reasonably available and worth a Brown package or even just another high priced player that would be worth a 1st like JJ. There are some higher priced player like Otto Porter and Barnes that might be considered more valuable than JJ in general, but not to a team like the Celtics that already has good wing depth.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 10:22 pm to TechTiger
quote:They could have had Turner in a S&T for Hayward and passed which led to Hayward going to Charlotte. Teams are not going to simply give them a player so that they can use their TPE. Larger TPEs are perfect for that missing piece in a playoff run.
They don’t make a deal to get a trade exception that high, to just take in someone like JJ. They are gunning for a big that is possibly expiring like Aldridge or Aaron Gordon. Maybe Myles Turner.
But if I’m Boston....I’m waiting on KAT to demand a trade, and the way this year is going for the Wolves....that could happen soon.
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